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big ron said:
And lets not forget we’ve all entered ff in good faith, to cancel it for EVERYONE because you’ve got beef with one person? Its like indie turning off the server because I called him a cunt.
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OMG, is that what REALLY happened yesterday evening?
 
Alla said:
I didn't cancel this to piss off anyone, are you for real? It takes a lot of time and a real effort to run this, and I've been writing down questions for 2 years, so I'm the first one that would love to do it. Sorry but what a selfish comment, can't you understand that I feel very uncomfortable right now?This person just ruined something else I was running in the MF forum. And I don't know what I'm doing here trying to justify this, to be honest.
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Why are you cancelling this because of something one person did in another thread?
 
The gaslighting in this thread is APPALLING even for Moopy standards.

Whatever PETTY ANIMOSITY is happening between Alla and Suomi does not excuse a MOD abusing their powers at all and A LOT OF YOU skirting over it and making fun of the situation is wrong. But PLUS ÇA CHANGE around here.
 
VoR said:
Oh lordy.

So, first of all, all of this happened over my birthday weekend, so frankly it was not at the top of the things I wanted to give brain space to. Not an excuse, but just full disclosure.

Also, obviously Suomi is a close friend of mine IRL, and while I like to think I'm still capable of being fair, I fully accept that I have a greater appreciation for his sense of humour than someone like Alla might.

With all that in mind, Kala PM'd me about this over the weekend and asked me to 'sort it out', which I was a little annoyed by as I'm not Suomi's keeper, we do the same job. I heard nothing myself from Alla, who seemingly went straight to Octy and Indie (which, fair enough).

I admit that my reaction was to deflect it a bit as I saw nothing malicious in what Su did. I alerted him that there'd been a complaint and offered to fix the thread he'd tampered with. I didn't see any reason to take it further.

I appreciate that there's a potential language barrier issue at play here (for what it's worth though @Alla, I've never noticed any issue with your English at all) and also clearly Alla is genuinely upset. I don't want that and I'm sure neither does Su.

But I have to be completely honest - there is a pattern here of overreactions from Alla, which made me less inclined to take this latest meltdown seriously. I've been on the receiving end of it myself, where an innocuous comment or mild joke has been received with outright fury. I want Moopy to be a safe space for all of us and I value his contributions, but if something like this is making him this upset, I would sincerely question whether it's a healthy environment for him to be in.
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What a completely biased response this is. It’s clear which side you’re on. Which is understandable as you are close friends but you really should put that aside when dealing with issues like this.

I messaged you because I thought you would be the best person to deal with this with Suomi, but the responses I got felt like you didn’t really think it was much of an issue.

No matter what Alla did, and even if he is overacting a bit, which I don’t think he is, Suomi abused his position of power to wind someone up. It might only be little things, but that isn’t the point.

And I completely agree with the ‘gaslighting’ comments - there’s been little things here and there which might not be much on their own but they add up to more then this.

I also completely forgot that he has banned @OutSynk - for a laugh. Who do you think you are, Suomi? The mod powers you have are NOT for your amusement.

I was all prepared to just drop this but your flippant responses to this are unacceptable and you obviously don’t give a flying fuck about what you did or the consequences of your actions. The more you try to make light of the matter the worst it becomes.

What you actually did isn’t much, but it’s the fact you did it in the first place when you should have known better.
 
I honestly don't see how it's gaslighting though?

Alla's complaint has been heard and a response was given. Suomi has been publicly warned by the Admins to not edit people's posts. I think we can all agree that if that behaviour continues he'll be on a hiding to nothing. What more do people want to happen at this point?

The operative word here is PETTY. I am being completely sincere when I say that if somebody is losing their shit to this extent over a Ruth Lorenzo video, they need to reflect on how healthy their relationship with this forum (and HER) really is. That's not gaslighting, that's just an observation.
 
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Kalabaliken said:
What a completely biased response this is. It’s clear which side you’re on. Which is understandable as you are close friends but you really should put that aside when dealing with issues like this.

I messaged you because I thought you would be the best person to deal with this with Suomi, but the responses I got felt like you didn’t really think it was much of an issue.

No matter what Alla did, and even if he is overacting a bit, which I don’t think he is, Suomi abused his position of power to wind someone up. It might only be little things, but that isn’t the point.

And I completely agree with the ‘gaslighting’ comments - there’s been little things here and there which might not be much on their own but they add up to more then this.

I also completely forgot that he has banned @OutSynk - for a laugh. Who do you think you are, Suomi? The mod powers you have are NOT for your amusement.

I was all prepared to just drop this but your flippant responses to this are unacceptable and you obviously don’t give a flying fuck about what you did or the consequences of your actions. The more you try to make light of the matter the worst it becomes.

What you actually did isn’t much, but it’s the fact you did it in the first place when you should have known better.
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In all honesty I think you need a break from the internet.
 
You don’t seem to understand. What he did was small. It’s the fact he DID it in the first place. He’s doing stuff to deliberately wind someone up and then when Alla did react he revelled in it, turned round and blamed Alla for it.

not everyone on this form gets on, and that is natural, arguments and disagreements happen, but Suomi is in a position of responsibility and he should not only be setting an example but not use the powers he has for his own amusement.
 
Kalabaliken said:
You don’t seem to understand. What he did was small. It’s the fact he DID it in the first place. He’s doing stuff to deliberately wind someone up and then when Alla did react he revelled in it, turned round and blamed Alla for it.
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And half the usual posters continued (and continue in other threads) to make passive-aggressive references to Alla's overreaction to make him feel like he is in the wrong. Textbook definition of gaslighting.
 
Kalabaliken said:
You don’t seem to understand. What he did was small. It’s the fact he DID it in the first place. He’s doing stuff to deliberately wind someone up and then when Alla did react he revelled in it, turned round and blamed Alla for it.

not everyone on this form gets on, and that is natural, arguments and disagreements happen, but Suomi is in a position of responsibility and he should not only be setting an example but not use the powers he has for his own amusement.
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But Alla is allowed to ignore Suomi's apologies and exclude him from a vote like a child saying 'you can't be in our gang'

Grow up the lot of you.
 
It’s worth noting that I think all of the mods/admin, not just myself and Suomi, are in agreement that Alla has misrepresented how these events played out.

I totally understand that Suomi should be held to a higher standard as a moderator, but this is not a one-way street. They both need to change their behaviour if this isn’t going to keep flaring up.
 
Whilst my own PERSONAL opinion that NOBODY asked for is that, yes, everyone is behaving like children, one fact remains- Alla is upset and that isn't really on. It isn't for us to judge whether that's justified or not really- you can't control what upsets you.
 
VoR said:
It’s worth noting that I think all of the mods/admin, not just myself and Suomi, are in agreement that Alla has misrepresented how these events played out.

I totally understand that Suomi should be held to a higher standard as a moderator, but this is not a one-way street. They both need to change their behaviour if this isn’t going to keep flaring up.
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Although if he's talking a lot of HORSESHIT for attention, THAT'S a different matter entirely :D
 
big ron said:
But Alla is allowed to ignore Suomi's apologies and exclude him from a vote like a child saying 'you can't be in our gang'

Grow up the lot of you.
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I didn’t want to go into the whole thing really because actually I just thought we could laugh it all off, but if everyone wants an actual official investigation then I should say that Alla actually lied to Kalabaliken and said that my votes HAD been included, only for me to then pull out the receipts and show that they had never been in the first place and that Alla was exaggerating for dramatic effect. What maybe Alla didn’t realise is that as a mod you can see all previous versions of edited posts.
 
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I think we all know there’s a small group who really run Moopy - and for once, I’m not talking about the lizard people. They decide who gets taken seriously, who is “toxic”, or who is “gaslighting”, or whatever irritating gay HR speak is currently fashionable.

When I was on the staff team, I tried my hardest to treat everyone equally. It’s pretty obvious this stopped being the case a while ago. There are some people there who are either incapable of being objective, or too scared of pissing off the big names.
 
Mugatu said:
I think we all know there’s a small group who really run Moopy - and for once, I’m not talking about the lizard people. They decide who gets taken seriously, who is “toxic”, or who is “gaslighting”, or whatever irritating gay HR speak is currently fashionable.

When I was on the staff team, I tried my hardest to treat everyone equally. It’s pretty obvious this stopped being the case a while ago. There are some people there who are either incapable of being objective, or too scared of pissing off the big names.
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I don’t accept this. We’ve all had issues in the past but Octy, Indie and myself all run in very different circles. We disagree on things, which is healthy. We don’t get everything right but we’re very far from being some shadowy cabal.
 
Kate said:
I still can't believe Suomi got voted in as mod and THIS IS WHY
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In all fairness, I feel I should say that there have been things I have done as a moderator which will never be revealed outside of those circles which I would class as ACTUALLY important and sensitive to people’s feelings and enjoyment of the site. I am proud of that.
 
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Why does he keep lying to justify his actions? I never said to Kala that his votes were included, what a stupid thing to say when it's was a public post. They were going to be included until out of nowhere he decided to threats me with deleting the whole thread if I didn't. That's when I didn't bother with his votes. He didn't edit to post to include himself, he rewrote it all to make a mockery of it all. But even if so, he had no right to mess with my post at all. He already had apologised for doing so.


I don't understand why he keeps lying and twisting everything. He messed with my posts and I reported it. He's the one overreacting for months to some of my posts, just to provoke me waiting for a reaction and then cause trouble. As I said, I'm ok with that or what anyone says here, but abusing repeataly your mod powers is a no, how are you still trying to justify that? Anyway, as some said here, double standards and it's just Alla. Whatever.
 
We are not discussing Alla ignoring your votes, I was mistaken in this, Alla never told me that he did, I assumed he had and I apologise for
The mistake. but that’s not the issue here. The issue is you overstepped your mark.

I am absolutely gobsmacked and astounded that the mods are now saying Alla has misrepresented this story and it seems like they are blaming him over this whole issue. Alla isn’t an angel and he might have pissed off Suomi, but he has been baited and prodded and poked and when he finally lost it, he’s getting the blame. Alla shouldn’t have ignored Suomi’s scores but there was a better way that Suomi should have dealt with it. We know he likes to wind people up, and he’s just gone too far this time.

VoR, I’m actually really annoyed at you here. You are not objective in this and it’s clear as the day. There’s a bunch of us saying things and they’re all being ignored and swept under the carpet. I totally agree with Mu that it seems as if there’s a definite hierarchy here and it’s one rule for one person and one rule for another.
 
Alla said:
I never said to Kala that his votes were included...

He didn't edit to post to include himself, he rewrote it all to make a mockery of it all
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That’s not what Kala said in his original complaint. He said that you had included my votes and for some reason I then went and changed them. This is not true.

‘He rewrote it all to make a mockery of it all’ - I edited my name to be the winner. That’s it. Everything else stayed them same. This exaggeration just says to me you are absolutely loving this! I have already offered you an apology and an olive branch, what do you actually want?
 
Kalabaliken said:
We are not discussing Alla ignoring your votes, I was mistaken in this, Alla never told me that he did, I assumed he had and I apologise for
The mistake. but that’s not the issue here
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Well in the interests of fairness and BALANCE it absolutely is part of the issue. Me editing myself as the winner of a competition that I was excluded from is very different to ruining somebody’s entire post.

REGARDLESS, I have apologised for editing. What do you actually want? VoR dead? Me executed? Moopy shut down?
 
Look, all I’m saying is that Octy and Indie don’t have any skin in this game. I totally understand why I wouldn’t be considered objective here, but all four of us can see the edit history of the thread in question, so if all four of us are in agreement that how Alla is portraying things isn’t entirely accurate, maybe instead of jumping onto the condemnation train people could actually take a moment and listen?
 
VoR said:
Look, all I’m saying is that Octy and Indie don’t have any skin in this game. I totally understand why I wouldn’t be considered objective here, but all four of us can see the edit history of the thread in question, so if all four of us are in agreement that how Alla is portraying things isn’t entirely accurate, maybe instead of jumping onto the condemnation train people could actually take a moment and listen?
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Don't bring me into team VoR. That's never a winning train.

What I specifically said is you can see why Suomi may have had some aggrievance with Alla. But he overstepped the line, and you can see why Alla is upset by that. There is literally nothing more than this.
 
None of you seem to understand. What Alla did is irrelevant here. He shouldn’t have not included Suomi’s scores. That was wrong of him.

The fact is that Suomi changed someone’s post. And he’s used his mod powers on more than one other occasion to retaliate or wind people up. This is the issue.

‘In a position of power comes great responsibility’ - as the saying goes. Mods are elected and given this responsibility to ensure the forum runs smoothly. They’re meant to me reliable, trustworthy and balance people.
 
Kalabaliken said:
None of you seem to understand. What Alla did is irrelevant here. He shouldn’t have not included Suomi’s scores. That was wrong of him.

The fact is that Suomi changed someone’s post. And he’s used his mod powers on more than one other occasion to retaliate or wind people up. This is the issue.

‘In a position of power comes great responsibility’ - as the saying goes. Mods are elected and given this responsibility to ensure the forum runs smoothly. They’re meant to me reliable, trustworthy and balance people.
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So what do you want to happen now?
 
Kalabaliken said:
None of you seem to understand. What Alla did is irrelevant here. He shouldn’t have not included Suomi’s scores. That was wrong of him.
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It's not relevant then why expand on it? :)

Rhetorical question. Joke. Don't reply.

The fact is that Suomi changed someone’s post. And he’s used his mod powers on more than one other occasion to retaliate or wind people up. This is the issue.
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Yes, I agree. I have said that. That is an issue. He was told not to do it, and he's sorry for doing it and he's said that publicly.

So rather than continuing on with this circular debate, what would people like to do next?
 
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