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@Alla for what it's worth, we still want you to host MF. Perhaps if other Mods decided to oversee it?
 
Ag said:
Yeah but this kinda shit escalates. I was pre-empting rather than anything else. And to be fair you've accused him of gaslighting, being shit and being a sociopath so... :side-eye:
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Fair point :D I think I’m right on the gaslighting though, it’s literally happening in this thread.

sociopath is a loaded term and I apologise for saying it. I am going to give up my Moopy powers given to me as a sign of trust after Modgate. Oh wait.

I don’t think Suomi is a sociopath, just does shitty things without remorse and lies about it
 
Diddy said:
This is a hard thread to read. Alla’s clearly very upset, complaining about posts that have definitely been buggered about by a mod. And said mod is now gaslighting Alla because he can’t/won’t accept that people have feelings, even ones on gay chat lounges.

But posters here either don’t want to take a side, or they love the drama and think this is funny, even though we’re losing one of our best events and possibly pushing out one of the nicest posters.

and Su is the one complaining about abuse of power? I’m sure this is all performance art, but it’s shit
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I do actually agree with you - I find it very hard to take Moopy as seriously as clearly some people do.
 
Diddy said:
I don’t think Suomi is a sociopath, just does shitty things without remorse and lies about it
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This is going to be one of those threads where in 5 years people look back and laugh at the escalation. Where has this come from Diddy?

I will say it again: I’m really sorry for editing 2 of Alla’s posts. I was just joking. I’m sorry for not being able to take the fall-out from it seriously. Alla is welcome to take my place as a moderator as an apology present.
 
Well here’s my tuppence ha’penny...

I think that I’m increasingly uncomfortable in a forum where this sort of business can go down and silence appears to reign amongst other moderators, admin and / or (especially, in this case) IRL friends not wishing to rock the boat. I certainly wouldn’t tolerate or want to be around it in a non-digital context. I think that Alla makes numerous valid points and is obviously very upset so he should be taken seriously. There’s an air of trademark hysteria which might be causing posters to discount what he’s saying, but it’s not as if overreaction or the expression of heightened emotion is a stranger in lounge land. Also he is a lone voice compared to the Suomi social club, and he’s outnumbered.

On the Suomi front, I think his antics are frequently immensely entertaining but there’s a tendency to jump over a certain line, at which point it becomes rather unamusing and unpleasant, especially if it’s aimed at one poster in particular. (Also the hollow apologies are a bit sick-making.)

C’est tout.
 
Suomi said:
I will say it again: I’m really sorry for editing 2 of Alla’s posts. I was just joking. I’m sorry for not being able to take the fall-out from it seriously. Alla is welcome to take my place as a moderator as an apology present.
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Well if this is all serious, that’s good. I think that’s all that was needed really.

sorry I called you a borderline sociopath, I just thought you were being a pillock and upsetting my friend on purpose
 
Diddy said:
Well if this is all serious, that’s good. I think that’s all that was needed really.

sorry I called you a borderline sociopath, I just thought you were being a pillock and upsetting my friend on purpose
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I will never forgive you for trying to have me sectioned!
 
Way I see it some ‘bants’ between Suomi and Alla has resulted in Alla having a huge strop, picking his football up and taking it home so nobody can play.
 
I like Alla and I like Suomi, so I'm not about to pick sides. If we can get some sort of assurance that whatever happened won't happen again, then I hope we can draw a line under it and not lose one of my favourite posters.

Also, if @Suomi would like to make a substantial compensation payment to Alla, please send it to me as I've got his address and will make sure he gets it.
 
lolly said:
I'd like to know if anyone can confirm exactly what Suomi has done. In the old days I believe admin had access to a log showing exactly what edits had been made. But I think mods could also see individual post edits.
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For TRANSPARENCY:

1. In a thread about music recommendations I edited one of Alla’s YouTube links to be one of Ruth Lorenzo. I did this because I thought it would be funny, but soon realised that Alla did not find this funny at all and I received a stern telling off from Octy and Indie. I sent Alla an apology and he said he would never read it, or any of my posts again.

2. In a thread of Melodifestivalen Predictions, I felt that after months of having Alla ignore my contributions and pretend I didn’t exist, he wouldn’t accept my votes and let me play. I based this on him Liking every vote in the thread except mine. I said I would delete the thread if my votes weren’t included. Then the results came in and yes, my votes weren’t included. I edited the results listing to make myself the winner, with everyone moving down one place. This was tit for tat but it was a political statement.

3. I temporarily banned OutSynk for banter. No other Estonians were harmed during this incident.

And for the record, all of these times Indie and Octy have absolutely done their job by hearing both sides and then issuing me with disciplinary action. I guess the issue for me is that I don’t feel the level
of drama or outrage match the ‘crimes’ as they are. If I have genuinely caused psychological damage to Alla (or Kalabaliken over him moving from 3rd to 4th place) then I do apologise, but I do so wondering about the sense of perspectives that we have.
 
*sigh*

It's wrong to say that "nothing" was done. That we didn't sack Suomi immediately does not mean that we did "nothing".

We were still discussing the most recent incident when it became obvious there had been an escalation. Everyone needs to remember that we can see the original versions of edited posts.

With apologies for speaking for him, neither @Indie nor myself are arbiters of personal disputes, nor do we wish to be.

I would very, VERY much like Family Fortunes to go ahead, however no-one can be forced to do these things.

I will check in on this later but I'm at work and don't want my arse kicked for Mooping.
 
Suomi said:
I received a stern telling off from Octy and Indie. I sent Alla an apology and he said he would never read it, or any of my posts again.
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octophone said:
It's wrong to say that "nothing" was done. That we didn't sack Suomi immediately does not mean that we did "nothing".
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Note, please Moopers, the consistency of these simultaneously typed posts.
 
Oh lordy.

So, first of all, all of this happened over my birthday weekend, so frankly it was not at the top of the things I wanted to give brain space to. Not an excuse, but just full disclosure.

Also, obviously Suomi is a close friend of mine IRL, and while I like to think I'm still capable of being fair, I fully accept that I have a greater appreciation for his sense of humour than someone like Alla might.

With all that in mind, Kala PM'd me about this over the weekend and asked me to 'sort it out', which I was a little annoyed by as I'm not Suomi's keeper, we do the same job. I heard nothing myself from Alla, who seemingly went straight to Octy and Indie (which, fair enough).

I admit that my reaction was to deflect it a bit as I saw nothing malicious in what Su did. I alerted him that there'd been a complaint and offered to fix the thread he'd tampered with. I didn't see any reason to take it further.

I appreciate that there's a potential language barrier issue at play here (for what it's worth though @Alla, I've never noticed any issue with your English at all) and also clearly Alla is genuinely upset. I don't want that and I'm sure neither does Su.

But I have to be completely honest - there is a pattern here of overreactions from Alla, which made me less inclined to take this latest meltdown seriously. I've been on the receiving end of it myself, where an innocuous comment or mild joke has been received with outright fury. I want Moopy to be a safe space for all of us and I value his contributions, but if something like this is making him this upset, I would sincerely question whether it's a healthy environment for him to be in.
 
octophone said:
With apologies for speaking for him, neither @Indie nor myself are arbiters of personal disputes, nor do we wish to be.
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No apologies required, because that is almost a direct quote from what I said in conversation anyway!

In short, Suomi shouldn't be editing posts. I see why Alla would get upset at that. Also i see why Suomi got annoyed in the first place. The whole thing wouldn't have escalated if both adults spoke to each other properly first.

I may be administrator but this is a community forum and that doesn't make me king of personal disputes. Don't edit posts unnecessarily and sort the rest out between yas.
 
Having read this thread I have to agree with @Alla, it's wrong. @Suomi 's flippant responses to how alla feels about it are quite disgraceful for somebody who was eventually given a position of trust and abused that trust for his own amusement. All that was needed was a sincere apology but it's now escalated so that alla feels ostracised for demanding his posts remain as he typed them. It's not a jolly jape it's the possibility of losing a damned good contributor to this site because we're all making allowances for suomi again.

Really sorry @Suomi but I didn't vote for you to be a mod because I didn't believe you should be trusted with mod power. It doesn't matter that I'd consider you a lovely bloke in real-life, that I love your daft sense of humour and all the other things I like about you, I had to give my vote to somebody else because you have little moments of madness and you don't think about the consequences of your actions until they come and bite you on the bum. Only in the same way that I love my dog and know that I can leave a plate of butties on the sofa and he won't eat them but I would not leave those butties there for two hours unattended because that temptation would be too much for him. You've a bit too much renegade about you.

#ISTANDWITHALLA
 
I love OUR SU but he NEVER EVER EVER in a million years should be a mod :D
 
big ron said:
I’m loving the fact that we’re skirting over the fact that a grown adult is acting like a fucking 5 year old :D
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What’s with the singular?

I regret mooping this up with my hot take, I just didn’t want Alla to leave

I’m going to take a bath now thanks. I hope I get to find out if I pee more in a day than Moopy seems average
 
The only issue I have with this whole saga is Diddy coming in for a character assassination. I had no idea he hated me so much!
 
Clearly, we don't want a witch hunt but I also don't think that what Suomi has done is in any way acceptable, particularly given that no part of his posts in this thread suggests that he cares even a little bit. I also don't think that it's helpful to accuse Alla of over-reacting. He is clearly genuinely upset by this and, given that there have been several incidents, I don't think that's unreasonable.
 
Alla isnt exactly innocent though? He’s given Su some shit himself, then when he doesnt like the other boy giving him it back hes run to the teachers and taken his toys. It takes two to tango.
 
And lets not forget we’ve all entered ff in good faith, to cancel it for EVERYONE because you’ve got beef with one person? Its like indie turning off the server because I called him a cunt.
 
Both parties have done wrong, but I am struggling to see why we’re enabling this tantrum?!
 
Sorry but this is not Alla over-reacting to a couple of "jokes". This started over a year ago, when he edited one of my postes because I used a rude word. I didn't even know it was such a bad word, but anyway, he sent me a condescending pm telling me off for that. I found that out of place, because I see much worse every day here, and because I did a search an he's been using that word himself. I even said so in a post.
The fact that he decided to abuse his powers as a mod to mess around with me for his own amusement changed my perception of this poster, so I tried to avoid interaction with him as much as possible, because I didn't find him funny anymore.
He's have been having this borderline behaviour forever, you all know him well, editing his own posts when I was running things in the MF forum and telling me I was cheating and that sort of stuff, but I never had a problem with that other than finding him annoying and childish. But fair enough, we all post shit sometimes.
But he crossed the line editing my post changing the video knowing that it would piss me off. For his own amusement, again. As soon as I said I was going to report it, he sent me an apology that didn't sound sincere at all "Oh Alla, you're one of my favourites posters here". Far from stopping there, he's been coming after me even when I just ignore him, overreacting to some of my posts just to provoke me, giving me random likes because I said I wish I didn't have to get his alerts. And again I'm ok with him being just an annoying poster thinking he's the funniest thing ever because he's always been like that, but he decided it wasn't enough and he had to push a bit more, so he decided to threat me with delete my thread, with the excuse that I wasn't going to include his votes because I didn't like his post. As I wasn't having any threat, specially for him knowing the tension there was already, I (mentally told him to f. off), and didn't even count his votes. He edited my post then, not to include himself, but to make a mockery rewriting the whole post. He wasn't sorry at all when he apologised, obviously, and it's him who had been having fun overreacting to some of my posts just to provoke me for his amusement.

As I said, I don't have a problem with anything anyone says here to the extent of complain about him, but editing my posts for fun, and even trying to justify this is something that I don't find acceptable. His answers in this thread sum it all. I don't have much more to say.
 
Oh give over. You’re an asset to this place but go and calm down.
 
big ron said:
And lets not forget we’ve all entered ff in good faith, to cancel it for EVERYONE because you’ve got beef with one person? Its like indie turning off the server because I called him a cunt.
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I didn't cancel this to piss off anyone, are you for real? It takes a lot of time and a real effort to run this, and I've been writing down questions for 2 years, so I'm the first one that would love to do it. Sorry but what a selfish comment, can't you understand that I feel very uncomfortable right now?This person just ruined something else I was running in the MF forum. And I don't know what I'm doing here trying to justify this, to be honest.
 
Alla said:
Sorry but this is not Alla over-reacting to a couple of "jokes". This started over a year ago, when he edited one of my postes because I used a rude word. I didn't even know it was such a bad word, but anyway, he sent me a condescending pm telling me off for that. I found that out of place, because I see much worse every day here, and because I did a search an he's been using that word himself. I even said so in a post.
The fact that he decided to abuse his powers as a mod to mess around with me for his own amusement changed my perception of this poster, so I tried to avoid interaction with him as much as possible, because I didn't find him funny anymore.
He's have been having this borderline behaviour forever, you all know him well, editing his own posts when I was running things in the MF forum and telling me I was cheating and that sort of stuff, but I never had a problem with that other than finding him annoying and childish. But fair enough, we all post shit sometimes.
But he crossed the line editing my post changing the video knowing that it would piss me off. For his own amusement, again. As soon as I said I was going to report it, he sent me an apology that didn't sound sincere at all "Oh Alla, you're one of my favourites posters here". Far from stopping there, he's been coming after me even when I just ignore him, overreacting to some of my posts just to provoke me, giving me random likes because I said I wish I didn't have to get his alerts. And again I'm ok with him being just an annoying poster thinking he's the funniest thing ever because he's always been like that, but he decided it wasn't enough and he had to push a bit more, so he decided to threat me with delete my thread, with the excuse that I wasn't going to include his votes because I didn't like his post. As I wasn't having any threat, specially for him knowing the tension there was already, I (mentally told him to f. off), and didn't even count his votes. He edited my post then, not to include himself, but to make a mockery rewriting the whole post. He wasn't sorry at all when he apologised, obviously, and it's him who had been having fun overreacting to some of my posts just to provoke me for his amusement.

As I said, I don't have a problem with anything anyone says here to the extent of complain about him, but editing my posts for fun, and even trying to justify this is something that I don't find acceptable. His answers in this thread sum it all. I don't have much more to say.
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Well your first example is what I do see as being the job of a moderator - you referred to Michelle McManus as some word that I forget now, and I edited the post and told you that people could find it offensive. That I had used the worst myself years ago says a lot about how collectively the internet moves on in terms of what is and isn’t acceptable.

I wasn’t lying when I said you were one of my favourite posters here - I’ve always loved your enthusiasm particularly when we played the Moopy Scavenger Hunt and we both made great videos. But that enthusiasm can cross over into an emotional juggernaut when you get pissed off, and that’s what I’ve found hard to deal with. It seems like it’s fine to joke with you sometimes but not other times, so regardless of who is a mod or not I think we should just either shake hands and move on, or if that is such a terrible idea to you, just ignore each other.
 
Alla said:
I didn't cancel this to piss off anyone, are you for real? It takes a lot of time and a real effort to run this, and I've been writing down questions for 2 years, so I'm the first one that would love to do it. Sorry but what a selfish comment, can't you understand that I feel very uncomfortable right now?This person just ruined something else I was running in the MF forum. And I don't know what I'm doing here trying to justify this, to be honest.
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What exactly do you want to happen? It just seems like we both love drama.
 
Diddy said:
I’d rather literally any other mod make a comment in this thread, @Indie @wendy the goat @octophone @Star @VoR

or someone who clicked like on my post in the last half hour to weigh in too
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I'm not a mod anymore, just Moopy treasurer!

I would really like Alla to continue with FF though, he's put so much effort into it and it is very much appreciated.
 
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