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My suggestion would be that Suomi gets a final warning over either abusing mod powers or threatening to abuse mod powers with a penalty of being removed as a mod if he does it again. If there's any actual need to for mod intervention against Alla for any reason then it should be referred to someone else. After that, they should both be told to avoid winding each other up and to ignore each other if they can't civil.

Then, we should find out if there are any other witches and burn them.
 
Indie said:
Yes, I agree. I have said that. That is an issue. He was told not to do it, and he's sorry for doing it and he's said that publicly.
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How can he be sorry after all the lies he is saying here to justify his actions?
"All I did was edit one of your posts slagging off Ruth Lorenzo" - that post had nothing to do with her. And so on and on.
He was told not to do it, he said sorry, just to do it again days later. His posts in this thread speak for themselves. I have nothing more to say, my thoughts were summed up by @Kate in the most sensible post here. Have a good day.
 
Alla said:
How can he be sorry after all the lies he is saying here to justify his actions?
"All I did was edit one of your posts slagging off Ruth Lorenzo" - that post had nothing to do with her. And so on and on.
He was told not to do it, he said sorry, just to do it again days later. His posts in this thread speak for themselves. I have nothing more to say, my thoughts were summed up by @Kate in the most sensible post here. Have a good day.
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I did not do it again ‘days later’. Christ alive man, what do you want? I’ve acknowledged and apologised (several times now, both in PM and in public) but actually there has to be a point where you let this go otherwise it is just going to go on and on.
 
Mugatu said:
I think we all know there’s a small group who really run Moopy - and for once, I’m not talking about the lizard people. They decide who gets taken seriously, who is “toxic”, or who is “gaslighting”, or whatever irritating gay HR speak is currently fashionable.

When I was on the staff team, I tried my hardest to treat everyone equally. It’s pretty obvious this stopped being the case a while ago. There are some people there who are either incapable of being objective, or too scared of pissing off the big names.
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Publish a list of the big names now and then you and Suomi to overthrow everyone in power in a moopy coup. I will inject some drug money into this campaign.
 
I can't decide whats serious or not any more. I honestly thought Alla was playing up for effect earlier, but obviously mnot. Kala's meltdown seems real and I'm concerned for him, can someone check in? The cracks in the mod leadership are appearing wider and wider as time goes on.

Pray for moopy.
 
big ron said:
The cracks in the mod leadership are appearing wider and wider as time goes on.
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The admin, however, are fine. We are properly trying to sort this but we're doing it off thread. However, as I said earlier, we're not a tribunal and there always comes the point where people have to make their own decisions.
 
octophone said:
The admin, however, are fine. We are properly trying to sort this but we're doing it off thread. However, as I said earlier, we're not a tribunal and there always comes the point where people have to make their own decisions.
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I wasn't being serious.

OR WAS I?
 
Everyone is agreed that post editing should not be done for a jape.

Where we go from here is under discussion.
 
Suomi to apologise on-screen AT EUROVISION with a huge "SORRY ALLA :(" banner in the crowd. AND MEAN IT THIS TIME
 
Well, this has really gone to shit. I can't help feeling we might be flirting with hysteria just a tad, what with factions forming and everything in danger of going a bit 'The Warriors'.

Just send Alla a Moopy mug, issue Suomi with a lifetime ban for a fortnight, and call the police on Ron for calling Indie a cunt. Job done, everyone's happy.
 
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Suomi to apologize on Twitter then delete tweet, only for Moopy to dig it up and post it in this thread.
 
All I know is that Suomi’s recent pic on insta is *fire emoji* and that’s really all that matters in this silly drama.
 
Sorry to bring this back, but I missed this post and I have the need to answer to this.

VoR said:
But I have to be completely honest - there is a pattern here of overreactions from Alla, which made me less inclined to take this latest meltdown seriously. I've been on the receiving end of it myself, where an innocuous comment or mild joke has been received with outright fury. I want Moopy to be a safe space for all of us and I value his contributions, but if something like this is making him this upset, I would sincerely question whether it's a healthy environment for him to be in.
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Sorry but this is bollocks, WTF? Yes I'm very intense and everything you can expect from a chico latino, and probably overreacting to simple things, but things have change over the years, don't you think so? Or are you talking about things that happened years ago? With "mild joke" you mean when you were slagging me behind my back telling people personal stuff I told you in private? We've all did things that are wrong, and I'm the first one to admit that, but are you going to justify with that the abuse of power of your dearest friend? Shouldn't you sit down on this one? I have never ever complain to the Administrators or mods about anyone here before, so I don't know which meltdowns you're talking about. I'm not complaining about his erratic behaviour or him being annoying, I'm complaining about power abuse by a mod, repeteadly. And you just have to read his posts here to see his lack of remorse and how he's not sorry at all, he's enjoying "the S. show". I don't accept an apology that is no sincere. And if he had some decency, he would step down himself from the moderation and not let other people to deal with this situation.
 
Alla said:
Sorry but this is bollocks, WTF? Yes I'm very intense and everything you can expect from a chico latino, and probably overreacting to simple things, but things have change over the years, don't you think so? Or are you talking about things that happened years ago? With "mild joke" you mean when you were slagging me behind my back telling people personal stuff I told you in private? We've all did things that are wrong, and I'm the first one to admit that, but are you going to justify with that the abuse of power of your dearest friend? Shouldn't you sit down on this one? I have never ever complain to the Administrators or mods about anyone here before, so I don't know which meltdowns you're talking about. I'm not complaining about his erratic behaviour or him being annoying, I'm complaining about power abuse by a mod, repeteadly. And you just have to read his posts here to see his lack of remorse and how he's not sorry at all, he's enjoying "the S. show". I don't accept an apology that is no sincere. And if he had some decency, he would step down himself from the moderation and not let other people to deal with this situation.
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OK. First of all, I’m genuinely sorry that this has been handled in a way that has clearly upset you. I don’t condone Suomi’s post editing but you were probably right to escalate this to Octy and Indie given how it’s affecting you.

I also want you to know that on a day to day basis I really enjoy you as a poster. You contribute a lot of great stuff and I have absolutely no issue with you.

THAT BEING SAID, yes - you are quite an intense, quick to anger person. I didn’t mean to imply that you have regular ‘meltdowns’ but you are quite easy to offend, or at least that’s how it comes across. I could go dig out some examples but I’m not interested in turning this into a point-scoring exercise.

Unfortunately, because you getting angry isn’t an unusual occurrence, it’s a bit harder to recognise when you’re genuinely upset. My gut reaction was essentially “Oh, Alla’s just overreacting again”.

Ultimately, you didn’t involve me in this and I think that was the right choice. I only engaged in this thread after Diddy literally tagged me in a post and accused me of a conspiracy of silence. It’s a bit of a case of ‘damned if you do, damned if you don’t’ on my end.

I think there’s blame on all sides here. You and Su need to learn to play nicely or stay out of each others way. Su absolutely needs to stop editing other posters’ posts for japes. I should have taken this more seriously when I was dragged into it. Kala needs to chill the fuck out and stop stoking an argument that’s got literally nothing to do with him. Everybody else needs to down the pitchforks and appreciate that being a mod is often a thankless task. We don’t always get everything right, but we’re doing our best.

To close I’d just reiterate. What do you want to happen now? Su has apologised. You can believe him or not. But what else needs to happen for us all to be able to move on from this?
 
VoR said:
OK. First of all, I’m genuinely sorry that this has been handled in a way that has clearly upset you. I don’t condone Suomi’s post editing but you were probably right to escalate this to Octy and Indie given how it’s affecting you.

I also want you to know that on a day to day basis I really enjoy you as a poster. You contribute a lot of great stuff and I have absolutely no issue with you.

THAT BEING SAID, yes - you are quite an intense, quick to anger person. I didn’t mean to imply that you have regular ‘meltdowns’ but you are quite easy to offend, or at least that’s how it comes across. I could go dig out some examples but I’m not interested in turning this into a point-scoring exercise.

Unfortunately, because you getting angry isn’t an unusual occurrence, it’s a bit harder to recognise when you’re genuinely upset. My gut reaction was essentially “Oh, Alla’s just overreacting again”.

Ultimately, you didn’t involve me in this and I think that was the right choice. I only engaged in this thread after Diddy literally tagged me in a post and accused me of a conspiracy of silence. It’s a bit of a case of ‘damned if you do, damned if you don’t’ on my end.

I think there’s blame on all sides here. You and Su need to learn to play nicely or stay out of each others way. Su absolutely needs to stop editing other posters’ posts for japes. I should have taken this more seriously when I was dragged into it. Kala needs to chill the fuck out and stop stoking an argument that’s got literally nothing to do with him. Everybody else needs to down the pitchforks and appreciate that being a mod is often a thankless task. We don’t always get everything right, but we’re doing our best.

To close I’d just reiterate. What do you want to happen now? Su has apologised. You can believe him or not. But what else needs to happen for us all to be able to move on from this?
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Just because I am not directly involved does not mean that I don't have the right to say something. It doesn't matter if it was ME or someone else, I still have the right to complain if I think some wrongdoing was done. This is a place for all of us and if I see some unreasonable behaviour, I am going to call it out. I saw what I felt was a member of this forum being treated unfairly by someone in a position of responsibility. And said member using their powers inappropriately.

I'm fucking sick of this 'us and them' situation which is now even more blindingly obvious in this place. There should not be tiers of people in this forum where some people's opinions are treated more strongly than others. I am sure that if someone else had stepped out of line it would have been treated differently.

It now just feels like hollow responses - asking Alla 'what would you like to happen?' is a classic case of trying to deflect back on to him. Because if he wants further action to happen it's only going to place the blame onto him and make him look cunty if he does want anything else to happen. It's not down to him to make any decision. It's the team we elected.

I'm not going to discuss this any further. I'm done putting my points across because obviously no one is going to take them seriously, so obviously I'm a low-tier member in here. I'm just disappointed in the behaviour and reactions of some people on here. I thought this place had changed, but I was obviously wrong. I've got better things to do with my time.
 
I actually thought it was nice to ask Alla what would make him feel better to see if this can be resolved. I'm sure Beverley's intentions were anything but hollow. I'd like to see Alla feel happy enough to continue with FF.
 
Moopy isn't like an employer. The administrators aren't the bosses of the moderators and the moderators aren't the bosses of the posters. We don't have an HR team in the background.

Also, we have actual lives and jobs. They take priority. So I'm sorry if people think things haven't moved quickly enough but none of you would prioritise Moopy over paying work either.
 
VoR said:
THAT BEING SAID, yes - you are quite an intense, quick to anger person. I didn’t mean to imply that you have regular ‘meltdowns’ but you are quite easy to offend, or at least that’s how it comes across. I could go dig out some examples but I’m not interested in turning this into a point-scoring exercise.

Unfortunately, because you getting angry isn’t an unusual occurrence, it’s a bit harder to recognise when you’re genuinely upset. My gut reaction was essentially “Oh, Alla’s just overreacting again”.
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Other that being a bit dramatic sometimes, more as a part of the show than anything else, where am I getting angry? Other that with this mod, that has been provoking me in a regular basis and yes, I remember quoting him a few weeks ago an telling him to leave me alone. But with the rest of Moopy? when? I've been trowing you some shade (first 2 pages of this post) the same way you do it with me, but I didn't take that badly or expected you to do it. I've seen you more upset with posts by people than myself lately. So I really can't see it.

Of course the last thing on my mind was to get you involved in this, and I was a bit surprised to know Kala did, but it was with good intention; he shouldn't have been brought in here (I know it wasn't you). I only talked about this with 2 posters (other than Admins) and Kala is one of them, because we talk a lot lately and I can trust him, that's all. He did nothing wrong, so let's leave him apart in this too, please.

And I'm not going to answer to your question exactly for what Kala said. I didn't say to the Admins to do this or that, I wouldn't dare. But I actually kind of answered it here, it ain't happening, so don't point at me like if I have to say what's going on next.
 
octophone said:
Moopy isn't like an employer. The administrators aren't the bosses of the moderators and the moderators aren't the bosses of the posters. We don't have an HR team in the background.

Also, we have actual lives and jobs. They take priority. So I'm sorry if people think things haven't moved quickly enough but none of you would prioritise Moopy over paying work either.
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From an ex-admin I know where you're coming from! I always felt like you can't do right for doing wrong and spent many many hours fretting over what to do, that's something people don't see. Don't take anything to heart from either side, in something like this emotions are running high and even good intentions can be taken badly.
 
How long is it since we had a mod election? If people truly feel we’re such a corrupt basket of deporables I wholeheartedly invite them to step up and drain the swamp.
 
Star said:
From an ex-admin I know where you're coming from! I always felt like you can't do right for doing wrong and spent many many hours fretting over what to do, that's something people don't see. Don't take anything to heart from either side, in something like this emotions are running high and even good intentions can be taken badly.
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Oh the GOOD OLD DAYS of Ag vs cwej.
 
I imagine people are champing at the bit to be a mod now.
 
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