Bitter Tuesday writes hateful tags

I've turned it off again for now. This isn't about witch-hunts. But as ron says, we can call out people if they're being cunts.
 
No, we should have a vote on it. This is how it ended up never being used last time.
 
Sheena said:
“this isn’t about witch hunts”

But anonymous bullying is ok?
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No. It's not. I never said it was. Now we know we can still do it, if there is a particular issue we can resolve it.

But giving the widespread ability to go dig up some shit someone said three years ago is hardly going to help forum cohesion.
 
Sheena said:
“this isn’t about witch hunts”

But anonymous bullying is ok?
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We’ve not said that. I talked to Indie and Octy about the Chlammy situation late last night and it’s been raised in this thread before anything could realistically be done about it.

I think the issue here is that it shouldn’t have to come to using an add on to out people, nor should we have to stop using tags altogether. It works boh ways - I wouldn’t have wanted to bring Chlammy’s name specifically into this conversation either, it’s enough for people to know that unacceptable tags are being made and they need to stop.
 
The tags are the witch hunt. I know it's not cool to point this out, or I'm being "woke" or whatever, but they tend to follow you around for a while and even as someone who'll go toe to toe with anyone, it is tiring to read over and over.

There's been multiple issues about recent tags (not ones from 3yrs ago) raised in this thread. If the mod team don't want to punish anyone, then fine, but there shouldn't be no ramifications at all. Let people know who's been posting those tags and let the change in others' opinions be the punishment.
 
Mugatu said:
The tags are the witch hunt. I know it's not cool to point this out, or I'm being "woke" or whatever, but they tend to follow you around for a while and even as someone who'll go toe to toe with anyone, it is tiring to read over and over.

There's been multiple issues about recent tags (not ones from 3yrs ago) raised in this thread. If the mod team don't want to punish anyone, then fine, but there shouldn't be no ramifications at all. Let people know who's been posting those tags and let the change in others' opinions be the punishment.
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We/I dropped the ball, I hold my hands up to that. I didn't check to see if we could see who made those tags anymore. And now, it's too late to see who did.

Clammy raised an issue with BT, we didn't see who did it, and those tags are now gone. What else would you like me to do?

I find it a bit much to have this come from someone who was admin and knows the difficulty in making the right call.
 
Indie said:
We/I dropped the ball, I hold my hands up to that. I didn't check to see if we could see who made those tags anymore. And now, it's too late to see who did.

Clammy raised an issue with BT, we didn't see who did it, and those tags are now gone. What else would you like me to do?
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If whoever's posting the tags has deleted them, then there's nothing we can do, I remember that's what happened before. Maybe check the one in this thread, although I see the other has already disappeared. Strange pattern there.
 
Indie said:
I find it a bit much to have this come from someone who was admin and knows the difficulty in making the right call.
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That's out of order, I fully remember how difficult it is because we were the only ones who actually dealt with it. I'm aware that I'm forcing the issue and being a dick about it, but nothing happens otherwise. People have been complaining on-off about this since I quit.
 
Mugatu said:
The tags are the witch hunt. I know it's not cool to point this out, or I'm being "woke" or whatever, but they tend to follow you around for a while and even as someone who'll go toe to toe with anyone, it is tiring to read over and over.

There's been multiple issues about recent tags (not ones from 3yrs ago) raised in this thread. If the mod team don't want to punish anyone, then fine, but there shouldn't be no ramifications at all. Let people know who's been posting those tags and let the change in others' opinions be the punishment.
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The tags were addressed as soon as they were raised. As Shee said, everyone’s tolerance to tags about them is different - surely the most adult thing to do here is to wait for the poster to contact us about them unless they’re clearly offensive? If we start taking unilateral action to delete tags about certain posters as a precaution, would that not be us micromanaging?
 
ButterTart said:
The tags were addressed as soon as they were raised. As Shee said, everyone’s tolerance to tags about them is different - surely the most adult thing to do here is to wait for the poster to contact us about them unless they’re clearly offensive? If we start taking unilateral action to delete tags about certain posters as a precaution, would that not be us micromanaging?
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This isn’t me being confrontational, by the way, it’s just I’m thinking Moopy might be expecting a firmer hand?
 
I would say turn them on for everyone to see PERMANENTLY. No more spineless tags, and whoever uses them for comedy purposes can still do so. If witch-hunt’s and arguments arise then the mod team can deal with them as and when appropriate. I personally am not going to be trawling through threads that gave me a negative tag. I probably never even NOTICED it anyway.
 
Mugatu said:
That's out of order, I fully remember how difficult it is because we were the only ones who actually dealt with it. I'm aware that I'm forcing the issue and being a dick about it, but nothing happens otherwise. People have been complaining on-off about this since I quit.
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And before you quit. This isn't a magical new problem. So you should know all about it, and being in the firing line from all sides isn't so fun. So maybe be less of a dick about it.
 
People can tag then delete said tag when we are going through the admin middle man. Transparency would mean that when the tag is created then each user can find out who left said tag. IT MAKES SENSE.
 
Indie said:
And before you quit. This isn't a magical new problem. So you should know all about it, and being in the firing line from all sides isn't so fun. So maybe be less of a dick about it.
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I'm aware of that, I have no problem with you personally. Just give people the vote, there's clearly demand for it.
 
Old tags are not worse than posts written back then. Some of the nicest people now were truly cunts to me just to jump on the bandwagon, probably trying to fit here, bless them. But I thought we already moved on from those dark years, so I don't see how old tags are going to be an issue, whoever brings back now something someone said 10 years ago should seek help. I'd like some transparency with tags, thanks. (Not with mine in particular, but they are upsetting people, please stop it).
 
ButterTart said:
The tags were addressed as soon as they were raised. As Shee said, everyone’s tolerance to tags about them is different - surely the most adult thing to do here is to wait for the poster to contact us about them unless they’re clearly offensive? If we start taking unilateral action to delete tags about certain posters as a precaution, would that not be us micromanaging?
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I think there should be some proactivity about it, especially the racist ones. As you say, we know the line. Someone leaving the site because of it also crosses the line.

I can't blame people for looking at this thread, which seems to happen every few months now with no change afterwards, and deciding they can't be arsed to go to a mod. Not insulting anyone or pointing fingers, just sharing my elephant-like memory for online drama.
 
Can we delete any tags up to now? Is that possible? I'd accept that and then start transparency, fine.

But I still don't agree it's down to the mod team to decide whether someone's upset is enough for them to reveal a tag.
 
Star said:
But guys, please don't have a go at admin, they are doing their best. And I speak from experience when I say at times it's an INCREDIBLY difficult and time consuming job. Talk things out sensibly as a community and then admin can action.
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I don't think anyone is having a go at admin? But equally, with great power comes great responsibility.
 
Mugatu said:
As you say, we know the line.
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But what IS the line, aside from No Racism? I'm not complaining and God knows it's one of the reasons I'm here but the whole site is often an exercise in extremely poor taste, "cunt" every third word and going too far. In the interests of transparency, the now-removed Beachy Head and Lucy Tiseman-inspired tags in the runners thread were mine. I thought they were (bleakly) funny at the time, but maybe they weren't? They certainly weren't intended to upset anyone and if they did, apologies.
 
Zu-Klara said:
But what IS the line, aside from No Racism? I'm not complaining and God knows it's one of the reasons I'm here but the whole site is often an exercise in extremely poor taste, "cunt" every third word and going too far. In the interests of transparency, the now-removed Beachy Head and Lucy Tiseman-inspired tags in the runners thread were mine. I thought they were (bleakly) funny at the time, but maybe they weren't? They certainly weren't intended to upset anyone and if they did, apologies.
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I don’t think they were the issue. As far as I understood, it was the same few tags about ego/showing off that sprang up in every topic he posted in. As long as it’s not overtly offensive, I don’t think we should be policing tags that aren’t about other posters at all.
 
Zu-Klara said:
But what IS the line, aside from No Racism? I'm not complaining and God knows it's one of the reasons I'm here but the whole site is often an exercise in extremely poor taste, "cunt" every third word and going too far. In the interests of transparency, the now-removed Beachy Head and Lucy Tiseman-inspired tags in the runners thread were mine. I thought they were (bleakly) funny at the time, but maybe they weren't? They certainly weren't intended to upset anyone and if they did, apologies.
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The line used to be no personal abuse in tags. I'm not on the staff anymore so I don't know if that rule has changed. At the very least, if you want to insult someone then you should do it in a way that lets them fire back.

I'm fine with the poor taste, I have no intention of turning the site into Popjustice, which now seems to be a work chatroom for insufferable woke op-ed columnists.
 
ButterTart said:
I don’t think they were the issue. As far as I understood, it was the same few tags about ego/showing off that sprang up in every topic he posted in. As long as it’s not overtly offensive, I don’t think we should be policing tags that aren’t about other posters at all.
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We shouldn't have you "policing" any tags, that's actually another issue!

FREE FOR ALL OR NOT AT ALL!
 
Mugatu said:
The line used to be no personal abuse in tags. I'm not on the staff anymore so I don't know if that rule has changed.
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At the very least, that's not being adhered to. Albeit that, of course, the admin/mod team can't monitor EVERYTHING- which is KINDA THE POINT.

At the very least, if you want to insult someone then you should do it in a way that lets them fire back.
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It's as simple as this for me

I'm fine with the poor taste, I have no intention of turning the site into Popjustice, which now seems to be a work chatroom for insufferable woke op-ed columnists.
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I don't think anyone could rightly argue against "poor taste"- if that was the case, you wouldn't join Moopy. Bullying is different.
 
Sheena said:
I don't think anyone is having a go at admin? But equally, with great power comes great responsibility.
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I look forward to the next spiderman movie where he's paying bills and doing a bit of coding outside of his full time job.
 
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