Coronavirus

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Are you worried about contracting coronavirus?

  • Yes, I am absolutely terrified

    Votes: 12 15.6%

  • Yes, I am slightly concerned

    Votes: 35 45.5%

  • I am neither concerned or unconcerned

    Votes: 7 9.1%

  • No, I am slightly unconcerned

    Votes: 6 7.8%

  • No, I am totally unconcerned

    Votes: 6 7.8%

  • Bring back the old poll

    Votes: 3 3.9%

  • Charlotte Awbrey tits out doing the Macarena

    Votes: 2 2.6%

  • I believe VoR is evil

    Votes: 11 14.3%
  • Total voters
    77
Hospital admissions ICU admissions and deaths seem to have taken a rather large JUMP.
 
Star said:
What's your background @Cloud ? You seem very up to date with this all! (Sorry if I've missed it, I've only just joined)
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Armchair Epidemiologist (i.e. probably talking a load of shite)

I'm just obsessed, it's managed to occupy like 80% of my mind thanks to general anxiety and the cognitive dissonance between wanting life to return to something enjoyable and wondering if/when it ever can, and wanting to protect the people I love; which at the moment are conflicting ideals. So lots and lots of reading, discussing and watching John Campbell videos but other than that, nothing special!
 
I'm not sure why there is such a dispute about where infections come from/people battling over which sector is causing the biggest damage. Anywhere there is gatherings of people = corona. Whether it be pubs, restaurants, university or schools.

The government ignoring SAGE is big news. They emphasised the need for following the science in the beginning but that is not happening now. A quick circuit breaker would drive down infection rates to a pretty good degree and I believe the majority would be for it. But I think it is too late for that now. If they did it 4 weeks ago maybe.

However, these lockdowns are not beneficial for anyone but the vulnerable really and to keep the NHS going. With the current restrictions in place the likelihood is that the deaths are going to remain at a steady level for a longer period of time but not jump to 500+ a day levels. I feel like that is the compromise the government have come to. Steady death rate that is obviously horrible but the impact this is having on people's mental health and how lockdowns are exacerbating health and social inequalities cant be ignored. Finding the balance between the two is the tricky part.
 
octophone said:
Is it just me or if Johnson looking especially GUBBED at the minute?

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(NB - this is the picture the BBC have used today - may not be that recent)
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He looks like he's been denied fluid.
 
Logic? said:
I'm not sure why there is such a dispute about where infections come from/people battling over which sector is causing the biggest damage. Anywhere there is gatherings of people = corona. Whether it be pubs, restaurants, university or schools
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People talk about it because the nuance is important. Yes, gatherings everywhere present a corona risk but if (say) 5% of transmissions are related to hospitality and 95% are related to universities, then one represents a more acceptable and manageable risk than others.

As you rightly say, everything now is about balance and striking the ideal scenario between deaths/mental health/economy. So where transmission rates are highest also matters.

As for ignoring SAGE, I'm fine with that to be fair. It's their job to target minimum casualties, just as it's the CBI's job to campaign for business. You can't just follow the scientific advice because it is heavily biased towards one outcome, rather than the holistic picture.
 
big ron said:
My friend had to wait FIVE DAYS for a test result for their kid, so all 5 of the family had to self isolate, including one teacher for the entire time. Turns out it was tonsillitis, but its no wonder people are walking around spreading shit, so many people can't afford 5 days of SSP
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And companies like mine don't even give SSP! We're off with no pay.
 
Indie said:
As for ignoring SAGE, I'm fine with that to be fair. It's their job to target minimum casualties, just as it's the CBI's job to campaign for business. You can't just follow the scientific advice because it is heavily biased towards one outcome, rather than the holistic picture.
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I mean, whilst I don't disagree that they will always err on the side of saving lives, I think it is way too simplistic to say that they only want to minimise casualties from Cronova (which whilst you may not have been, is definitely something that is being said). They will also be taking into account the secondary effects of less people going for routine testing for other illnesses, and mental health issues surrounding lockdown as well. I also worry that the economic arguments are too focused on short term economic outcomes of businesses closing, rather than the longer term ones of strain and cost on the NHS for long-term conditions and actually coping with the body count, not to mention consumer confidence. I feel like the economic arguments are relying too much on guesswork rather than published evidence that can be scrutinised.
 
Indie said:
People talk about it because the nuance is important. Yes, gatherings everywhere present a corona risk but if (say) 5% of transmissions are related to hospitality and 95% are related to universities, then one represents a more acceptable and manageable risk than others.

As you rightly say, everything now is about balance and striking the ideal scenario between deaths/mental health/economy. So where transmission rates are highest also matters.

As for ignoring SAGE, I'm fine with that to be fair. It's their job to target minimum casualties, just as it's the CBI's job to campaign for business. You can't just follow the scientific advice because it is heavily biased towards one outcome, rather than the holistic picture.
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Oh I completely understand why it is important to discuss where infections are coming from. But people aren't doing that. It was obvious that once schools and universities went back the infection rate would go up. Which is why I'm bemused at why there is a argument about where infection rates are coming from atm. Hello Freshers flu/anyone with kids know that once they go back to school its a HOTBED of illness.

Edit - @ZenGiraffe made a far better point RE SAGE
 
ZenGiraffe said:
I mean, whilst I don't disagree that they will always err on the side of saving lives, I think it is way too simplistic to say that they only want to minimise casualties from Cronova (which whilst you may not have been, is definitely something that is being said). They will also be taking into account the secondary effects of less people going for routine testing for other illnesses, and mental health issues surrounding lockdown as well. I also worry that the economic arguments are too focused on short term economic outcomes of businesses closing, rather than the longer term ones of strain and cost on the NHS for long-term conditions and actually coping with the body count, not to mention consumer confidence. I feel like the economic arguments are relying too much on guesswork rather than published evidence that can be scrutinised.
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As a Economics graduate I can absolutely confirm that economics is about guesswork (based on best available forecasting methodologies) but we shouldn't go do the route of assuming that it's any less credible a topic because of that. It's not just about businesses closing or short term impacts, but there are huge potential long term socioeconomic impacts at risk here. A business failing is not just a short term fallout, it can have lasting impacts on a whole range of factors. I mean, for a brief example, there's a reason why the relatively affluent areas of London have life expectancies 10 years higher than parts of the North, Midlands and Wales - introduce economic hardship and standard of living decreases (whether deliberately through austerity or indirectly because industries collapse) and people die. It's just not as easy to tally as people having "coronavirus" on their death certificate.
 
Although I do take the point about SAGE not just being entirely focused on death by corona, it was deliberate hyperbole to show a point.
 
Indie said:
As a Economics graduate I can absolutely confirm that economics is about guesswork (based on best available forecasting methodologies) but we shouldn't go do the route of assuming that it's any less credible a topic because of that. It's not just about businesses closing or short term impacts, but there are huge potential long term socioeconomic impacts at risk here. A business failing is not just a short term fallout, it can have lasting impacts on a whole range of factors. I mean, for a brief example, there's a reason why the relatively affluent areas of London have life expectancies 10 years higher than parts of the North, Midlands and Wales - introduce economic hardship and standard of living decreases (whether deliberately through austerity or indirectly because industries collapse) and people die. It's just not as easy to tally as people having "coronavirus" on their death certificate.
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Yeah complete agreement here! Not enough is spoken of in terms of socioeconomic factors. Coronavirus really is DISASTROUS for peoples livelihoods and will cause deaths by the load, indirectly, and like you say those in the North and Wales especially.

A lot of places in the North are STILL recovering from the 70's/80's! Coronavirus lockdowns and a looming Brexit is going to fucking destroy less affluent towns and cities.

I work with vulnerable people in Sunderland which is a pretty poor area. Football is very important to its economy. The stadium hires a lot of people, the fans generate a lot of income for surrounding businesses. A Nissan car plant there may have to shut because of corona/brexit and it employs something like 15% of the entire city population or something ridiculous. All of that has gone shreds because of lockdowns and in the long term these scenarios are going to be FAR worse and cause more deaths than covid ever could.
 
There are other economic options than just lifting lockdown as much as possible, that aren't being considered because of the ideology of the government though. UBI being an obvious one, which I think would be especially useful as the economic changes that may happen afterwards, such as redistribution between urban and rural places, can be smoothed somewhat. Our economic approach seems to focused on returning to the status quo, which may not be the best idea.
 
But bringing it back the other way, I do actually think on balance a "circuit breaker" over half term (not three/four weeks ago as SAGE said) would probably be a good idea. I just get why the issue is massively complex and if I was in charge, I probably wouldn't follow SAGE to the letter either.
 
ZenGiraffe said:
There are other economic options than just lifting lockdown as much as possible, that aren't being considered because of the ideology of the government though. UBI being an obvious one, which I think would be especially useful as the economic changes that may happen afterwards, such as redistribution between urban and rural places, can be smoothed somewhat. Our economic approach seems to focused on returning to the status quo, which may not be the best idea.
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Oh absolutely! They gave us furlough they won’t give us fuck all else. Still surprised the Tories managed that!
 
@Rita made that comment because Big Ron always mentions the early weekday figures as being due to the weekend effect. I understood you Reet x
 
Nancy said:
Yesterday was 143, so they’re at the same level.
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Yeah just been looking at the sexy curves of the graph - its deffos on the up, but still not wildly when in comparison to the first round.
 
Dark Carnival said:
Well quite FRANKLY this is just an invitation to do COKE with friends till 6 every weekend.
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RIGHT! From what I can tell the 10pm curfew in London has just been encouraging people* to have increasingly ridiculous house parties as there’s NOTHING ELSE TO DO and people NEED to have something to do when they are DRUNK at 10pm :eyes:

*not really myself I must add, I can’t really be ARSED :D
 
Last Saturday night in London at 10pm was absolutely ridiculous. People were coming out of the pub like it was 3am in the morning. :D

I was clutching my rosary beads!
 
Can any of the Spanish crew confirm these are legit from the ministerio de sanidad - I've seen a few Ibizan people sharing various versions but I got tired trying to read the government site en espanol as I'm rusty as fuck.

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There's a definite sense of 'let's meet up and get hammered because it may be banned altogether next week' around, isn't there?
 
I have realised that after the first few weeks of lockdown I really have little interest in meeting up with friends or going to places in general. Am I the only one that has felt like that? I am not sure if it is more to do with the fact that we never got to the point that we were totally out of lockdown and free from Covid, or if I have just turned in to a HERMIT. It is really unlike me. :(
 
Rita said:
I have realised that after the first few weeks of lockdown I really have little interest in meeting up with friends or going to places in general. Am I the only one that has felt like that? I am not sure if it is more to do with the fact that we never got to the point that we were totally out of lockdown and free from Covid, or if I have just turned in to a HERMIT. It is really unlike me. :(
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For me personally it's a bit of both. Partly hermit, and partly due to things like theatre still being out of bounds anyway. It doesn't feel like it's ever gone away - I guess working in a primary care setting adds to that as well as things aren't anywhere near 'normal'.

Winter coming is also probably an additional factor.
 
Mats said:
you can't even jump out the window because curfew :(
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COME FINE MY DEAD CORPSE, MACRON!

Seriously all these restrictions and the massive cunt still couldn't bring himself to even ask businesses to encourage working from home when work places have been shown over and over again to be the biggest clusters after schools and unis.
 
lolly said:
For me personally it's a bit of both. Partly hermit, and partly due to things like theatre still being out of bounds anyway. It doesn't feel like it's ever gone away - I guess working in a primary care setting adds to that as well as things aren't anywhere near 'normal'.

Winter coming is also probably an additional factor.
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I had a few weeks blow out when the restrictions were loosened, and went for a weekend away Shannon’s 18th but other than that I am quite happy sitting in at the weekend. I think you are right. With Winter coming I really just want to HIBERNATE.
 
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