The War in Ukraine (2 Viewers)

I love that we're giving all the oligarchs 30 days notice before seizing their assets. Nothing says "we are absolutely in your pockets" quite like it. "We're imposing sanctions! Eventually. Let us know when you're sorted and we'll engage in a futile gesture far too late. Oh, is that for me? How kind."
 
As a publisher let me tell you the war has really dented our viewers. Very hard to cut through the noise because its all everyone is talking about and sharing. I think we’re all binging on it, and why wouldnt we. Its the closest most of us have been to such conflict.
 
As someone who's been kind of struggling with the catastrophising / worst case scenarios I can say that the megathread over on /r/anxiety has been quite a big help in ways that go above and beyond the war. One fairly big "aha" moment was reading about "reassurance seeking" and how it's probably the worst thing you can possibly do for anxiety. It's where you end up hyper focused on scrolling and scrolling through threads and articles looking for reassurance that your worst case scenario won't happen (or often in my case, airing the worst case as a statement in a desperate hope for someone to say "you are being highly irrational but I'm here to care and help and this is why..."). The fact is no one can 100% guarantee anything, but you end up obsessing over trying to find that unachievable 100% reassurance against something with a 1% chance of happening and nothing is ever enough. So it feeds into the anxiety and is a vicious cycle.

Since learning about that a couple of days ago I've tried to avoid reassurance-seeking and it already helped. Definitely something to be conscious of if anyone else is an anxious type.

The other thing is we can end up losing sight of the unlikelihood of most things (I.e. yes the chance of nuclear annihilation is a lot higher than it's been since the Cold War, particularly if he gets desperate, but it's still relatively unlikely due to MAD and multiple people/steps needed for launch) and putting life somewhat on hold out of a concern for something that's unlikely. When the thoughts get to the point mine we're getting to (let's call it "contingency planning") you can end up putting yourself at a LOT more risk from the nearby "contingency" than you were ever at risk for with the scenario at hand.
 
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It was the Kyiv Independent journalists saying the Ukrainian Special Operations announced that in retaliation to the shooting of civilians, they will no longer take captured russian soldiers but kill them all. There were people in the comments telling them that this is a war crime and it's not good, and people asking the sanity of this decision and where it came out from. And someone linked the fb page of something called Ukrainian Special Operations and this thing which pretty much says the same with the tweet only in an even worse way.

Edit: I had the page still open, it was this.

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Russian and Belarusian athletes now banned from the winter Paralympics 2022, which start tomorrow (the position had previously been that they could compete as neutrals).

The IPC president released a statement saying: "We are very firm believers that sport and politics should not mix. However, by no fault of its own the war has now come to these Games and behind the scenes many governments are having an influence on our cherished event."

Through no fault of the war? What? :D I'm sure he means through no fault of the Games, but as Putin would say, SPEAK CLEARLY!
 
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I think it's time we declare war.
This is going to get ugly. Not sure if sanctions are enough. I know he's threatening nukes but what else can we do? He's not going to stop at Ukraine. This is very much like Nazi Germany in WWII.
 
Suedey said:
I think it's time we declare war.
This is going to get ugly. Not sure if sanctions are enough. I know he's threatening nukes but what else can we do? He's not going to stop at Ukraine. This is very much like Nazi Germany in WWII.
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No one in the West is saying it and fuck me the consequences could be dire, but I kinda agree. NATO troops + Ukraine should easily beat a Russian advance.

It's hard to predict how he'll react, but I have a sneaking regard that the mad cunt will probably go further with or without intervention. Sanctions kinda feel like appeasement right now.

Besides I'm too old to serve and I have my eye on the ARP warden for the castle cellar job.
 
I love that nuclear weapons being kept around as a deterrent against war is now the exact fucking reason we can’t go in with total justification and just crush the Russian invasion. We’re being held at gunpoint.
 
Everyone said he won't invade Ukraine - he did.
Some may think he'll stop at Ukraine - he most likely will not.
Some like to think he's only threatening nuclear weapons - he isn't.

Sanctions could only work if they result in a real revolution in Russia. War is expensive and he's putting a lot of money into it already. Sanctions are already proving effective but unless the Russian public is mobilised they won't be enough. Plus he's already amassed so much military power and personal protection that his own preservation means are probably as high as they'll ever be. A 'clean' surgical extraction via a quick assassination may not be feasible at this point.

He should have been stopped at Crimea and he wasn't. I really don't think we (as in 'the West', not just the UK) can afford to blink at this point.
 
More people have died in the Ukraine in the last week than in the whole of The Troubles or 9/11.

How far should the West let that go on? I'm always against war, but it feels immoral not to provide proper help.

I don't want to get divisive about it. I see both sides.
 
It’s a tough one, but how far are sanctions/humanitarian aid going to go? What if he invaded another non-NATO country (Moldova) next?

Then obviously there’s the worry that a declaration of war could see us all dead within hours so…
 
I'm torn. When I'm reading and watching the news I think we should step in and go to war, rather than sit back and watch Ukraine fight alone.

But then I also think...going to war will create WW3 and then millions across the world will die.
 
If we can go in, get the job done, and get out, then I'm for it. History teaches us it's rarely that simple though unfortunately. Honestly at this rate I'm up for someone quietly assassinating Putin. Or loudly, I don't care.
 
I was reading up about what happened in Grozny in the mid-90s. Very similar circumstances (valiant resistance, demoralised Russian troops initially suffering heavy losses).

In the end they just totally ground them down though. Tens of thousands died, and of course Chechnya did ultimately become a vassal state to Russia with a loyal attack dog in charge just like they wanted.

It’s going to be fucking horrible watching that happen to Ukraine. The difference is that the world is watching much more intently this time. I don’t think world leaders did much other than shake their heads during Chechnya.
 
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I know that no option is particularly pleasant, but if we go in and drive the Russians out of Ukraine, that’s just the beginning, not the end.
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I mean the end is very likely to follow very quickly, for all of us.

As much as I want Ukraine defended and Russia fought back, the risk of humanity ending is too great. The only hope really is that Ukraine holds long enough for the Russians with the ability to do so to feel the pressure to overthrow Putin. And I don't know if the sanctions are strong enough yet for that.
 
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