UK Charts/ Midweeks 2023

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dmlaw said:
I'd quite like to see a few legacy acts trying the multiple CD singles plan that Capaldi is using. I bet Madonna or Kylie could scare up 25,000 CD single purchases from the fanbase and then drop them all on the same chart week.
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but this is a lossmaker and BMG would never go for that with Kylie when they can make proper profit selling physical albums instead.
 
lolly said:
Yes, as someone with a nostalgia for an earlier period, everything being spunked on week one (and songs being written off often if that disappointed) was just trash. The current stagnation (and methodology) is dreary, but I do like the fact that songs can find their place. The OCC just need to stop them hanging around for months when they have had several months in the spotlight.

Much better in the 80s when the chart was decided by just a few hundred shops nationally and with the outrageous rigging and manipulation which happened as a result.

I think your preference probably depends most on whatever era it was when you first got into following the charts.
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I do think everything being spunked in week one did make the charts a super interesting grab bag. I was saying to @VoR the other day - I imagine it would've taken me another decade or so to properly explore the Pet Shop Boys if it hadn't been for the likes of I'm With Stupid getting one off fanbase-driven chart weeks.
 
Jark said:
but this is a lossmaker and BMG would never go for that with Kylie when they can make proper profit selling physical albums instead.
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But it's just marketing budget. The publicity from a surprise #1 from a legacy act like Kylie or Madonna would be a great PR stunt at that kind of cost.
 
I preferred the charts pre 1995 and then again during the downloads era. Far more interesting.

Don't get me wrong the first week hit thing had it's highlights, but it was just so predictable. There was nothing sexier than a slow climb to the top.

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Raining On Me said:
I also cannot understand how watching videos in any way equates to album streams. I've tried to read and understand the explanation posted, but even that says video viewing is now about 6% of music consumed. Um okay, but isn't that still a small enough percentage that surely it can just be applied to singles?!

When they say videos, I assume they mean anything posted on YouTube etc, so if it's an official album tracklisting (with lyrics or some such playing as a video) that makes more sense as I suppose it's no different to streaming on Spotify.

But how you match up proper video plays for actual singles to album sales...I can't even process it. God why is everything so confusing

See also: TV ratings in a streaming era
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It's nonsense.

But if you accept that audio streams for singles can count towards both the singles and the album chart, having video streams be counted exactly the same isn't that much of a leap, I suppose.
 
lolly said:
Much better in the 80s when the chart was decided by just a few hundred shops nationally and with the outrageous rigging and manipulation which happened as a result.
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...and that old favourite, regional weighting which meant that bands with a strong local following got knocked down a few spots. That ruined many a career.
 
It's just collector stuff, innit? Same as buying 5 different colours of vinyl for the same album.
 
I think what Beryl is politely skirting around is that he’s not exactly a PIN UP HEARTTHROB
 
He makes up for it by having a tolerable personality. He doesn't appear to be a cunt in the way Ed Sheeran obviously is.
 
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I have no time for his music but he is quite funny and seems personable. He's hard to dislike.
 
1 Lewis Capaldi - Pointless (39,028) [17,252 physicals]
2 RAYE & 070 Shake - Escapism. (32,976) [994 downloads]

There’s a day of streaming missing so it’s not over yet.
 
Yeah with two full days plus a day of streaming missing she may well grab it back.
 
lolly said:
Yes, as someone with a nostalgia for an earlier period, everything being spunked on week one (and songs being written off often if that disappointed) was just trash. The current stagnation (and methodology) is dreary, but I do like the fact that songs can find their place. The OCC just need to stop them hanging around for months when they have had several months in the spotlight.

Much better in the 80s when the chart was decided by just a few hundred shops nationally and with the outrageous rigging and manipulation which happened as a result.

I think your preference probably depends most on whatever era it was when you first got into following the charts.
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Your bottom comment I think sums it up nicely. In saying that, there were many issues in hindsight with how the 90s and 00s worked so by no means do I prefer that, I guess I’m just used to it.

Overall it seems no time period ever measured the true popularity of current singles completely accurately. But I’d say the year end chart of most years (less so now given about half of it is songs from a year or more prior) does reflect an overall view of what was genuinely popular.
 
Over 17,000 like Lewis Capaldi enough to want a physical cd single in their house?

Will they be worth something? I don’t get it
 
Yeah I guess but I thought in like a radio five way… not with people who buy music or put their card details online
 
Berly said:
Over 17,000 like Lewis Capaldi enough to want a physical cd single in their house?

Will they be worth something? I don’t get it
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He's been selling three different versions for 99p each, including both signed and unsigned of each version.

I imagine most people who were inclined to buy one would buy multiple, particularly if they were able to get hold of signed ones. It doesn't seem unreasonable to speculate a signed CD single of his may be worth more than 99p at some point.

So I suspect it's quite a lot fewer than 17,000 people making those purchases, and that a substantial proportion of those bought them with hope of a profit more than wanting his CD single for themselves.
 
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He was on TikTok live and got pinged whenever someone bought one off iTunes. How many versions are there now 5? He won’t give up he will keep begging until he has enough.
 
I just don’t really get why he’s so desperate about it, he’s just coming off the back of a massive debut album and 3 No.1s. It feels like a huge lack of confidence in the new album to be panhandling for No.1s, and I think pretty déclassé

SAD!

(Even sadder if he doesn’t make it, when just having a No.2 would’ve been fine, especially with the longevity he’s had with singles)
 
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Especially when it goes #1 - #13 the next week, it may be a minor thing you can spin PR wise but everyone in his camp will be fully aware of the manipulation and effort involved to get it so I can’t imagine it will genuinely mean anything.
 
I made the mistake of listening to a Global radio station (which is it SO inane? LOL!) and they mentioned how his team had 'accidentally' ordered thousands too many CDs and had no option but to give them away as a lovely gesture. Sure. It's all got a WHIFF of the Lemonscents about it.
 
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Kratz said:
I made the mistake of listening to a Global radio station (which is it SO inane? LOL!) and they mentioned how his team had 'accidentally' ordered thousands too many CDs and had no option but to give them away as a lovely gesture. Sure. It's all got a WHIFF of the Lemonscents about it.
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Lewis said it was his own money and he was willing to make a loss for his lovely fans but they had to go ASAP 🫠
 
Couldn't they be given away for free and therefore not be chart eligible?

I bet he's writing all the envelopes and popping down to the post office himself as well.
 
There are rules but atm it’s the equivalent of an iTunes sale so I think it can count but they will absorb the P&P cost.
 
Devil said:
Especially when it goes #1 - #13 the next week, it may be a minor thing you can spin PR wise but everyone in his camp will be fully aware of the manipulation and effort involved to get it so I can’t imagine it will genuinely mean anything.
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But he still gets to put in his advertising "including the #1 single..."
 
Oh yes of course, but does that mean much these days? It seems like it’s more of a nice to have than actually really worth anything in an era where you don’t actually sell more than about 2k a week after the first week or two.
 
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Capaldi managed it in the end, although Raye closed the gap to 1k in the end.

Without the CDs, Capaldi would only just have scraped the top 10.

I can't decide if it's nice that a major artist still cares about chart positions. Or if it's infuriating that he and Sheeran consistently get to number one with ANY OLD TOOT
 
Isn't that what MANY artists do with multiple formats with their albums? I don't understand the drama because he did it.
 
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