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well, her world is cold, calculated, no room for any spontaneity in her rarefied orbit. the film reflects that.
 
I love Cate Blanchett and I have no interest in seeing this at all.
 
I really want to see it after seeing the clips on Graham Norton. Cate didn’t come across as a very nice person.
 
I’m never going to see this film :D I’ve had to rearrange twice already this week and was going today and now the only showing this weekend has been CANCELLED :bruised:
 
I feel the same as Ellie and I am usually a massive fan of Todd Field (In The Bedroom is an absolute fave and Little Children has some truly wonderful moments). This is so so slow and to me quite pretentious - e.g the credits at the start, the 15 minute interview at the beginning, that’s 20 minutes they could have shaved off right there..

Blanchett is decent but it’s also nothing we haven’t seen her do before.

Nicely shot but some of the roads it travels down seem to lead to strange dead ends that I wasn’t sure what the point was for - maybe I’m missing something and NOT CLEVER ENOUGH for it.
 
I liked the idea of this more than I actually liked it. It felt a bit half baked and like a first draft, with so much left unexplored or fully developed.

I was fully on board with the premise and the style/wanky moments, but when it all came to an end I hadn't been given as many moments as I'd have liked, or a film that felt as satisfying as it should. It could have done and said a lot more.

I liked Blanchett (although she could have done more if given more), and I really loved the set pieces - i.e. the opening interview; the evisceration of Max the snowflake student (despite me sympathising more with them than Tár tbh); and her decking conductor Mark Strong and the subsequent Japan-based fall from grace. But when the film is getting on for three hours I need MORE THAN THAT
 
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i have a lot of time for the film. i watched it yesterday and really enjoyed it and didn't really mind the relative plotlessness of the first half. yes, it's pretentious, but it's about art and it's an examination of a creative person at the top of her game; i found her musings on classical music, gender inclusivity, the 'cancellation' of older composers quite interesting.

but i think the relative loose threads of the second half of the book did feel somewhat unclear and unresolved - until i read a theory in slate magazine about the final third of the film, and then it opened up to me in a new way, in a way that i keep thinking about.
 
Beverley 💅🏾 said:
i have a lot of time for the film. i watched it yesterday and really enjoyed it and didn't really mind the relative plotlessness of the first half. yes, it's pretentious, but it's about art and it's an examination of a creative person at the top of her game; i found her musings on classical music, gender inclusivity, the 'cancellation' of older composers quite interesting.

but i think the relative loose threads of the second half of the book did feel somewhat unclear and unresolved - until i read a theory in slate magazine about the final third of the film, and then it opened up to me in a new way, in a way that i keep thinking about.
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I've read that too, and it's certainly quite an intriguing take on it.
 
that theory is extremely interesting. I'd barely considered any of that but the injury sequence in the very bizarre abandoned building really is too random and out of place to brush off as nothing. I'm here for the rest of the film from that point being a disturbing humiliation fantasy of Tár's :disco:
 
That article is very interesting. Does it explain the VERY ending though? That doesn't seem to fit with that interpretation in quite the same way?

It does make a lot of sense of some of the very odd moments in the movie.
 
Pretty much a masterpiece. Expertly crafted and put together, and genuinely riveting and uncomfortable in the right places. Don’t understand the criticism this is a difficult movie, however. I found it very accessible (and I watch and enjoy plenty of arty bollocks, believe me).

The reveals in the last 25 minutes had me hooting like it was fucking Avengers: Endgame.
 
is it mostly in English with bits of German or? I'm bringing a Spanish date to see it and if the subtitles are in Danish, well...
 
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is it mostly in English with bits of German or? I'm bringing a Spanish date to see it and if the subtitles are in Danish, well...
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It is. None of what is said in German is that important, it's mostly just instructions to the orchestra.
 
It’s a good litmus test. If she doesn’t like Lydia Tar then you bin immediately.
 
There’s a new Cronenberg Jr movie out this week if you want to push further.
 
Just been to see this and OOOOOH I have a lot of thoughts.

I left this feeling extremely uneasy in a way that felt like the film had absolutely done its job.

I disagree with the article that Peekaboo posted in the sense that, while the Director *may* hate her (and indeed, the ending might have worked even more if the downfall wasn’t quite so aggressive and said something about how abusers quite often bounce back), I don’t think the film sets viewers up to completely hate her. She is a bit of a pretentious cunt but the film also shows her to be oddly charming in the way a lot of abusers are (although thankfully doesn’t sell that in a really heavy-handed way). I think that is part of the strength of the early portion of the film where it spends a long time just bringing you into her world. I disagree that that stuff could be easily cut - all of that time you spend with her means that your feelings when things start unravelling are a little more complicated. There is no single point in the film the audience is basically instructed to start thinking that she is evil or whatever… it is all a lot more gradual and subtle. I also felt that some of her less egregious negative qualities were somewhat relatable in a way that can leave the audience stopping just short of deciding she is 100% a cunt.

I also don’t think that the film conforms to the predatory lesbian stereotype at all and to suggest that is an extremely lazy reading of it. It isn’t really just a story of a sexual predator - she is shown to be a manipulative narcissist with poor judgement across several aspects of her life. I thought the scene where she threatens her child’s bully was really interesting - it elicited laughs in our screening, probably because we’re used to seeing similar scenes in comedy films. However, when you look at it in the context of the rest of the film, it is utterly fucked up!

I think the only thing I probably would have cut is the storyline about the lecture and the video - I felt that was completely unnecessary and was very ON THE NOSE and black and white in a film that is otherwise very subtle and plays with shades of grey.
 
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Phoenix said:
Call me by your name is as bland as they get. Two extremely good looking gays get it on in a beautiful villa. I’ll take a nuanced character piece like TAR over it any day. There’s more to gay stories than saccharine coming of age/coming out stories.
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I loved Call me by your name. It was the most hauntingly beautiful love story and stayed with me long after I’d left the cinema, gay or not. Loved TAR too, for different reasons .. I’m just glad that these movies exist
 
I took a date (well not really a date but kind of a date) to HOLY SPIDER the other day and it also worked.
 
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I took a date (well not really a date but kind of a date) to HOLY SPIDER the other day and it also worked.
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between this, Holy Spider and season 1 & 2 of von Trier's The Kingdom he is now FIRMLY under my thumb :horny:
 
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