Melodifestivalen 2024: Deltävling Four (Eskilstuna)

Danny's song is (as has been repeatedly mentioned already) very dated and Dotter's sounds pretty boring. Neither would be getting any hype whatsoever if it weren't for who is attached to them so the sense of inevitability about how this is all going to go down is quite deflating. I'll at least give Dotter benefit of the doubt and hope it's a bit more interesting in 3 minute form though, which it could well be.
 
Hak said:
Mate, Danny's doing things a bit different this time. He's usually all about manically rehearsing everything long before the actual week. He's got a one month old baby in the mix, which might be playing a part in the change-up.

The cocky nonchalance is still there though :disco:
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Sounds like a pillock
 
I'm sure our mate Hak isn't deliberately being selective with his tweets, but...



 
There's very mixed reviews of Dotter's chances to win but they all seem to agree she'll go DTF.

It does sound more like a grower but then again they've packed so many great hooks in just the 1 minute snippet.

 
Danny's song IS very dated, but what's the closest we've come to that circa 2013 Avicii/Swedish House Mafia sound at Eurovision before now? I guess Heroes?
 
VoR said:
Danny's song IS very dated, but what's the closest we've come to that circa 2013 Avicii/Swedish House Mafia sound at Eurovision before now? I guess Heroes?
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Notable smashes Light Me Up (Poland 2018), Storm (Estonia 2019) and Look Away (Finland 2019) have all been very much of that ilk.
 
Dotter and Danny would be a boring pair to go direkt, especially since AC barely matters this year and Scarlet or Lia would be up against it to reach the final. I feel like they’ve shot themselves in the foot with the format because we’re just getting the pre-ordained winners with scope for just two wildcards. A final with all the Lisa’s, Dotters and Liamoos and none of the Elisas, Froken Snusks or Scarlets doesn’t sound massively thrilling.
 
It’s extremely difficult to make the final if you’re not already well known. If Dotter and Danny go DTF, that means that out of 8 acts, 7 have competed before and all 7 have made the final. Jacqline is the only newcomer. Next week it’s likely that Medina and Marcus & Martinius could go DTF.
 
It's not that difficult to make the final. It's more like debutants aren't able to secure good songs or put together a decent stage show, and even when they do their own live performance often falls apart.

Jacqeline is the only newcomer who has really brought it this year. The returnees have generally been competent so it's no wonder it's 7 returnees DTF.
 
Whatever the reason, it's still been pretty clear who's qualifying without hearing a note of music apart from last week's refreshingly open competition.

A curveball would be most welcome this week or next, especially since there isn't the same anticipation around second chance.
 
Pingu said:
Whatever the reason, it's still been pretty clear who's qualifying without hearing a note of music apart from last week's refreshingly open competition.

A curveball would be most welcome this week or next, especially since there isn't the same anticipation around second chance.
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This week Albin could've gone DTF if he was a good performer, and Lia, if she were a great singer.

It's not SVTs fault that Albin hasn't done any gigs for the last year nor that Lia "haven't sing for so long time. Maybe 1 year".
 
Hak said:
It's not SVTs fault that Albin hasn't done any gigs for the last year nor that Lia "haven't sing for so long time. Maybe 1 year".
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It's their fault that they're sticking them on prime time Saturday night television though isn't it!
 
Out of interest, here's how the past five Melfest finals have broken down in terms of Contest debutants vs repeats.

2019
Returnees: 9.5
First timers: 3.5 (Mohombi, Malou Prytz, Bishara, Hanna Ferm in a duet with LIAMOO)

2020
Returnees: 8
First timers: 4 (Victor Crone, Paul Rey, The Mamas, Anis Don Demina)

2021
Returnees: 10
First timers: 2 (Tusse, Clara Klingenström)

2022
Returnees: 6
First timers: 6 (Cornelia Jakobs*, Anders Bagge, Medina, Tone Sekelius, THEOZ, Cazzi Opeia )

2023
Returnees: 7.5
First Timers: 4.5 (Marcus & Martinus, Smash Into Pieces, Kiana, Maria Sur, Arc North & Adam Woods w/Jon Henrik Fjällgren)

So 2024 doesn't look that egregious so far. Most likely some combination of Gunilla, Froken Snusk and/or one or more of the first timers from the last two heats will make it through AC to even the books a bit.


*competed with Love Generation in 2011 and 2012, but I can't imagine that gave her a significant leg up with the viewers...
 
Pingu said:
It's their fault that they're sticking them on prime time Saturday night television though isn't it!
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Albin can sing and came 2nd in Idol just over a year ago, so he and his label should've made sure he got the practice he needed. It's no wonder if he falls apart live given that he's an extremely anxious person.

Lia Larsson is more of a niché entry, representing the current EPA dunk trend. She has picked up 30 million Spotify streams in just over a year so it's understandable that they want her in. SVT did their part by rejecting her entry for 2023 while making her responsible for the Melodifestivalen TikTok account to learn the ropes. She got to follow along on the whole tour.
 
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VoR said:
2020
Returnees: 8
First timers: 4 (Victor Crone, Paul Rey, The Mamas, Anis Don Demina)
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Victor, The Mamas and Anis doesn't count! They had all been featured before!

I think this is more of an issue with newcomers not knowing what's expected of them when entering Melodifestivalen.

Melodifestivalen is very much what you make of it, and I distinctly remember both Dotter and David Lindgren talking about how clueless they were going into it the first time around.
 
David missed all the camera angels on his first 2012 rehearsal and so he chose to skip the welcome reception party to stay in his hotel room to practice the whole night, most newcomers wouldn't have thought of doing that.

Dotter's staging concept for Cry got more and more stripped back the closer she came to her heat and she hadn't practiced the song enough. For Bulletproof she knew she had to make sure shit got done for her own entry.
 
I have completely lost the thread of this conversation now, but I have no objection to established names having the edge over new names at all. I just wish there wasn't such a feeling of inevitability before a note of music has been heard. I don't know what the solution to that is, although maybe not putting the two most nailed on finalists of the whole run in the same heat as each other would be a good start.
 
Pingu said:
I don't know what the solution to that is.
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I think the fault lies with labels and the new artists themselves.

Melodifestivalen is very similar to sports, and I don't think newcomers prepare well enough. Perhaps labels don't invest enough in coaching the new artists but many newcomers also lack a creative vision for what to do on the Melodifestivalen stage. Eric Saade fought hard to make his shower gimmick happen in 2011 and since then SVT has been much more open for creative stage shows.
 
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maybe not putting the two most nailed on finalists of the whole run in the same heat as each other would be a good start.
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It's difficult to put Dotter as a nailed on finalist based on the studio version. Returning with a slow building ballad is notoriously risky in a contest that naturally favours immediate and uptempo songs.
 
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Imagine having to predict the placement order based solely on studio versions without knowing the performing artists. How would you fare?

I would've gone for something like this:

Heat 1
1. Supernatural
2. Heroes Are Calling
3. Hela världen väntar
4. Forever Yours
5. Awful Liar
6. Min melodi

Heat 2
1. Unga & fria
2. When I'm Gone
3. Dragon
4. Ahumma
5. The Silence After You
6. Norrland

Heat 3
1. Effortless
2. Take My Breath Away
3. I Won’t Shake (La La Gunilla)
4. Give My Heart a Break
5. För dig
6. Aldrig mer

Heat 4
1. Happy That You Found Me
2. Done Getting Over You
3. 30 km/h
4. It's Not Easy to Write a Love Song
5. En sång om sommaren
6. Circus X
 
It’s more the pacing of the heats than the song order that bothers me. Week 1 and week 4 both have varied entrants, week 2 was an attempt at variety hampered by limp songs and last week was insipid and evil. Assuming heat 5 is stacked like the last heat has been for the past few years, they could easily have spread the good songs out more evenly to make each round a bit more competitive.
 
Circus X is far and away the best of the performance clips. The choice to have Danny's staging amount to wibbling around a bit in a tracksuit is... bold. What is this theme of males with uptempo songs just being left to their own devices for three minutes? Liamoo, Victor Crone, Adam Woods, Saucy Dan...
 
Danny said Loreen was an inspiration to him so his clip is sending me because I’m imagining that in his head he thinks he’s giving us Euphoria, but in reality it’s Buttertart six pints down and topless at his local Wetherspoons staircase
 
Dotter is CONCERNING me with some of the same behaviours and camera shots as CRY. Now we all know the Cry performance is a comedy masterpiece for the ages, but I don’t want a second one
 
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