2020 USA Presidential Elections

Four more years?

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So the Democrats bring out Michelle Obama at their convention.

Meanwhile the Republicans have confirmed this anti-BLM gun toting pair will be speaking at their’s... :side-eye:

 
I like Michelle GENERALLY but "It is what it is" is a STUPID EXPRESSION that should have no place in any pre-written speech.

If you want to end up as a GIF go have fun with your QUESTIONABLE FRIEND Ellen Degenerate!
 
Yeah but she was the one who was harping on about "when they go low we go high". I dunno maybe I'm being petty.
 
ButterTart said:
I hate ‘it is what it is’ in general. It’s something you say to mask your fury at being voted out of Big Brother, it has no place in politics.
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"At the end of the day, I'm not here to make friends." - Michelle Obama.

Meanwhile the Republicans have invited that rotten Catholic school brat who became famous briefly for smirking at a Native American to make a speech.
 
I wonder if there will be a palpable sense of shame at the Republican convention or if they're just all in way too deep at this point
 
I love "it is what it is" btw :) it's a nice way to make sense of the shit moments in life
 
KindaCool said:
When she's saying it to match Trump and 'shading' him, yes it is. She's stooping to his level.
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Oh come ON. She is saying he is not the right guy for the job and made a slight dig - it is hardly CUT THROAT POLITICS or stooping to being a RACIST.
 
yay, more performance art by a democratic kween. only trump is so much better at this game.



every passing day i think there's a perversely more serious danger of another 4 years of him. here are a few choice tweets* on topic from the contemptible dnc. the billy porter bit is surreal.









*hide your daughters, these tweets are from the radical left!
 
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I don't understand a single thing in that post am but short of Trump bunkering down and bolting the doors there's no way he's staying another 4 years! surprisingly enough it strikes me that the Democrats actually have their shit more or less together at this point. the conference has gone down well and Trump has no valid line of attack to distract from 200k dead Americans.
 
I currently think he'll lose as well, but I think it's valid to be concerned about how the Democratic Party seems to be tacking quite so far to the right, to the extent that Republicans like John Kasich and (actual war criminal who lied to the UN) Colin Powell just spoke at the convention. They also got prime speaking slots while one of the party's rising progressive stars Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was limited to sixty seconds, which can't help but feel like a deliberate statement of intent and party positioning. I understand that there's a strategy to try and pick up moderate Republicans, but where does that leave them when the dust has settled?

I suppose my worry is that a Biden victory will be seen as a victory for the centre-right wing of the party, and aside from some (important and I'm not trying to minimise them) more progressive stances on some social issues we'll have an administration that'll give us everything you'd have got from (say) John McCain if he'd won in 2008 - austerity and rampant poverty, keeping the income gap as large as possible, the continuation of American imperialism in the global south - but it won't be the orange cheeto man doing it so a lot of people will go back to not giving a shit.

Also because it feels like you have to say this every time in a post like this, obviously I think Trump is a monster and he needs to lose this election - I guess I just don't have any faith in the Democratic Party or their base to hold Joe Biden's feet to the fire and demand better once he's in the White House.
 
But progressives are winning Democratic primaries left right and centre? Biden may not be an inspiring candidate, but the overall shape of the party is changing for the better.
 
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COB said:
I currently think he'll lose as well, but I think it's valid to be concerned about how the Democratic Party seems to be tacking quite so far to the right, to the extent that Republicans like John Kasich and (actual war criminal who lied to the UN) Colin Powell just spoke at the convention. They also got prime speaking slots while one of the party's rising progressive stars Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was limited to sixty seconds, which can't help but feel like a deliberate statement of intent and party positioning. I understand that there's a strategy to try and pick up moderate Republicans, but where does that leave them when the dust has settled?

I suppose my worry is that a Biden victory will be seen as a victory for the centre-right wing of the party, and aside from some (important and I'm not trying to minimise them) more progressive stances on some social issues we'll have an administration that'll give us everything you'd have got from (say) John McCain if he'd won in 2008 - austerity and rampant poverty, keeping the income gap as large as possible, the continuation of American imperialism in the global south - but it won't be the orange cheeto man doing it so a lot of people will go back to not giving a shit.

Also because it feels like you have to say this every time in a post like this, obviously I think Trump is a monster and he needs to lose this election - I guess I just don't have any faith in the Democratic Party or their base to hold Joe Biden's feet to the fire and demand better once he's in the White House.
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Why waste time trying to win over people who will already vote for you? The messaging to the floating voter, this close to the election, is much more important. AOC and the progressive wing will also be much better served by agitating whilst being in the party in power rather than the opposition party.

In a more normal election, I think the risk of alienating the progressive vote and them choosing to stay home should be better managed, but I don't think that will happen here. Any progressive who stays home instead of voting against Trump can get in the sea quite frankly.
 
VoR said:
But progressives are winning Democratic primaries left right and centre? Biden may not be an inspiring candidate, but the overall shape of the party is changing for the better.
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That is promising, though I do think the old guard aren't going to go out without a fight - there's too much donor money at stake to fully take a leftward turn, which I understand in terms of pragmatism etc but my god is it depressing. It feels like the entire party apparatus is still telling progressives it isn't for them, despite those encouraging primary wins suggesting particular policies and platforms aren't as unpopular as the party establishment seems to think.
 
ZenGiraffe said:
Why waste time trying to win over people who will already vote for you? The messaging to the floating voter, this close to the election, is much more important. AOC and the progressive wing will also be much better served by agitating whilst being in the party in power rather than the opposition party.

In a more normal election, I think the risk of alienating the progressive vote and them choosing to stay home should be better managed, but I don't think that will happen here. Any progressive who stays home instead of voting against Trump can get in the sea quite frankly.
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I understand this, and I suppose it's the same basic issue I have with Labour at the moment - how much can you jettison of your core message and principles to attract particular groups you want to vote for you, while not alienating other ones? I appreciate that we're not going to agree on it.
 
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COB said:
I understand this, and I suppose it's the same basic issue I have with Labour at the moment - how much can you jettison of your core message and principles to attract particular groups you want to vote for you, while not alienating other ones? I appreciate that we're not going to agree on it.
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This is where I always like to bang out your friend and mine, and darling of the progressive left...

TONTY BLAIR said:
...principle without power is futile.
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That isn't wrong, but you're talking to someone that's basically at their wits' end regarding electoral politics so I'm choosing to take it as an agreement that direct action is the way forward :disco:
 
TONTY BLAIR said:
...principle without power is futile.
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Power without principle is TONTY BLAIR.

I will reluctantly admit that dicking down Murdoch's wife while he wasn't looking was indeed PRAXIS.
 
Biden's closing speech on the final day of the convention has received raves, some calling it the best of his political career - great speech delivered with aplomb

 
Tonally it was quite on point. I have been quietly impressed with the convention.
 
ameraal said:
yay, more performance art by a democratic kween. only trump is so much better at this game.



every passing day i think there's a perversely more serious danger of another 4 years of him. here are a few choice tweets* on topic from the contemptible dnc. the billy porter bit is surreal.









*hide your daughters, these tweets are from the radical left!
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I don’t know what they are trying to achieve with this tweets?
Imagine if the convention was instead packed with the ultra radical left.
 
I MAY very well be in my UK-based left-leaning bubble, but it's really starting to feel like Trump is toxic to the point of no return now.

Obviously the polls have been in the dirt for a while, but the blatant dissolution of basic democracy with the postal system and Steve Banon's arrest really feel like they are underlining it.
 
RaspberrySwirl said:
I don’t know what they are trying to achieve with this tweets?
Imagine if the convention was instead packed with the ultra radical left.
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Who is "the ultra radical left" when it comes to US politics? The furthest left anyone on their national stage gets is pretty mild European-style social democracy (with their big policies being universal healthcare, a robust social safety net and progressive climate policy), and the people who made those quoted tweets don't seem to be pushing any agenda much beyond that either, so who are you actually talking about?
 
RaspberrySwirl said:
I still can’t help but think that he will win.
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Starting to come back around to this to be honest, despite everything Trump has done I don't trust the Democratic Party not to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory somehow*.

*(And before the usual suspects chime in, I do think that would be A BAD THING.)
 
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Who is "the ultra radical left" when it comes to US politics? The furthest left anyone on their national stage gets is pretty mild European-style social democracy (with their big policies being universal healthcare, a robust social safety net and progressive climate policy), and the people who made those quoted tweets don't seem to be pushing any agenda much beyond that either, so who are you actually talking about?
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I meant that any niche issue (no matter how mild we think it is in Europe) that has the potential to scare off the centre votes that they so desperately need should be kept for later now. The focus should be on winning a crucial round of elections.
 
The only indication that shows that Trump might lose is this book of stats fact:

I got my new sofa on the day Trump won, last week I got rid of it, and a new one is on its way to my new place. If this won’t get him out then nothing will. :(
 
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