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Actually I want Teyana Taylor for best supporting actress
 
Guess I've got to actually watch 'Song Sung Blue' then. I know it's Chase Infiniti who was the expected nom (possibly not in One Battle quite enough), but I refuse to believe that Kate gives as fantastic a performance as Jennifer Lawrence did in 'Die My Love'.

Good for Elle Fanning, given she was in contention for a nom last year but missed out, even if I think Ariana and Odessa A'zion would both have been more worthy. I loved Sentimental Value and this surely bodes well for Stellan.

Gagged by the F1 Best Pic nom!
 
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Yeah but the difference is that people actually liked all 3 LOTR movies
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Has Kate Hudson been nominated since Almost Famous? :disco:
 
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I pay $28 a month for 4 movies a week in theaters. Do yall have something like that?
 
I guess Ms Grande is going to have to wait for Meet the Focker-in-Laws for her statuette.
 
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Did anyone watch this? This is supposedly a DOCUMENTARY. It was 3 donkeys wandering around in a desert, and then they stumble across a space observatory. That’s it.
 
sensible take. probably BAFTA didn't know his tics but if he did, why did he attend?
 
The discourse around this has made me pretty uncomfortable. From what I’ve read, his form of Tourette’s isn’t a particular go-to word, it’s saying the most obscene and taboo thing in that situation (he said ‘fuck the Queen’ when receiving his MBE). He was no more certain he was going to use THAT word than he was any other, so should he deliberately exclude himself from any social functions for fear of what he might involuntarily say? Is it right that we should expect or encourage that exclusion?

It was HORRIFIC for the poor guys on-stage but I’ve seen him being blamed, calls for him to apologise, and it’s making me uncomfortable that someone is being held accountable for having a disability.
 
There was a two hour delay on the broadcast. They could mute someone saying 'Free Palestine' but they left that in? John is a poor soul - his Tourettes is governed by swearing and slurs because of the environment he grew up in and once a word is in a sufferer's vocabulary, it's there and anxiety around possibly using it will only bring it to the fore. I feel sorry for everyone involved.
 
Jark said:
sensible take. probably BAFTA didn't know his tics but if he did, why did he attend?
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They couldn't NOT invite him when they knew the film about him was going to win. The issue is that they had every opportunity to remove it from the broadcast - they could even have muted the sound entirely and put up a caption apologising for the loss of sound for a few seconds. No-one would have barracked them for not broadcasting it.
 
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They couldn't NOT invite him when they knew the film about him was going to win. The issue is that they had every opportunity to remove it from the broadcast - they could even have muted the sound entirely and put up a caption apologising for the loss of sound for a few seconds. No-one would have barracked them for not broadcasting it.
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This. The counterpoint I’ve seen is that it was deliberately left in to highlight the condition warts and all, but surely the safest thing to do is to just edit it for the sake of everyone involved.
 
Mind-blowing that it wasn't edited out of the broadcast given the time delay. What on earth were they thinking?
 
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This. The counterpoint I’ve seen is that it was deliberately left in to highlight the condition warts and all, but surely the safest thing to do is to just edit it for the sake of everyone involved.
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I could (perhaps) understand this if you could confidently imagine that it would open a sensible discussion - but the actual reaction on social media has been far more predictable, and for the most part insufferable. Who'd have thought?

This summed it up pretty well for me.

 
Delay should have happened. A diplomatic way of briefing audiences beforehand (regardless of knowing if anyone in attendance has tourettes syndrome) sounds like a good idea from here on in too.
 
Jark said:
sensible take. probably BAFTA didn't know his tics but if he did, why did he attend?
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By that logic, he would never go anywhere. He was there to celebrate a film made about his life - one designed to raise awareness of the reality of Tourette’s.

I don’t doubt the harm caused to Jordan, Lindo and any black people in the audience at that event - it would have been absolutely horrifying in that moment to be subject to such a charged word and i’ve no doubt that the experience would have been traumatising. The organisers should be deeply apologetic to them, and the BBC are fools for broadcasting it. There is a line to be drawn in terms of showing the reality of Tourette’s and preventing harm - and i’d say that is that line. The audience at the event were forewarned about his presence - perhaps it could have been better explained just how offensive his tics can be?

I have however seen a lot of wilful ignorance around Tourettes online since - particularly from Americans. Brits, including black Brits, seem to be a lot more understanding. I’ve seen Americans call black Brits ‘c**ns’ for defending him! Someone involved in the production of Sinners has been tweeting about it, mentioning further incidents at the dinner, and this is continuing to perpetuate the idea that he had any control over what he said and when. I’ve seen people pivot to saying that that they get that he has no control over it but that he should apologise - his public statement stops just short of that. I do wonder if he has a particular philosophy around that. In the film, there is quite an important scene where he is at the supermarket and keeps saying ‘sorry’ - and the woman that takes him in tells him to stop apologising for something he can’t help.
 
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By that logic, he would never go anywhere. He was there to celebrate a film made about his life - one designed to raise awareness of the reality of Tourette’s.

I don’t doubt the harm caused to Jordan, Lindo and any black people in the audience at that event - it would have been absolutely horrifying in that moment to be subject to such a charged word and i’ve no doubt that the experience would have been traumatising. The organisers should be deeply apologetic to them, and the BBC are fools for broadcasting it. There is a line to be drawn in terms of showing the reality of Tourette’s and preventing harm - and i’d say that is that line. The audience at the event were forewarned about his presence - perhaps it could have been better explained just how offensive his tics can be?
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I don't think a forewarning that "a member of the audience tonight has Tourette's and may repeatedly shout a highly offensive slur" would really cut it or negate the harm though? I don't really know what to think about this situation tbh. obviously they fucked up with the telecast but there don't seem to be any easy answers about to handle the situation in the room without causing one group or another real offence.
 
I didn’t think I Swear was quite as remarkable a film as most of the critics said, but it seems some people need to watch it.
 
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I don't think a forewarning that "a member of the audience tonight has Tourette's and may repeatedly shout a highly offensive slur" would really cut it or negate the harm though?
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The alternative is essentially non-participation in public life for people with this version of Tourettes. You could say i’m being dramatic with this … “Of course not - maybe just not the BAFTAs?” But where do you draw the line? There is nothing stopping any member of the public being offended by his tics out and about - if anything because of the forewarning that audience members received they were more prepared than most.

I don’t know - I feel like exposure to and education about Tourettes and how it manifests can go really far in terms of mitigating the impact of the words. I know from the film that he would tic “YOU’RE GOING TO DIE” when visiting a friend with cancer, would tell his dog to cross the road when cars were still coming, and that his words have gotten him arrested and severely beaten up. He clearly tics the worst possible thing you could say in any given moment despite not believing / wanting those things, and can’t help it. Obviously it is not quite the same - but I think if I had been on stage presenting an award and John had shouted out a homophobic slur, I would have been shaken and a bit mortified initially, but gotten past it once the initial impact had worn off and i’d had time to think about it logically.

I’ll admit I have a soft spot for John though. He is from the small town that I grew up in (I even served him during my futile stint on the tills in the local Halfords as a teenager). This connection means I have probably absorbed more content regarding him and his story than most. I also work in a space (mental illness) where there is a lot of debate about the rights of people to exist in public spaces due to the risk of harm to others.
 
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Oh apparently the audience were told beforehand. It shouldn't be stated as a warning as such - get the kind wording department to whip something up. Anyway, I've not seen the clip, nor do I want to.
 
I honestly didn’t hear what was said when watching the broadcast. Early on I realised that “a person” with Tourette’s was in the audience and occasionally things were shouted, not realising it was John himself.

This is completely on the BBC for not muting it from the broadcast. There was a huge hour plus delay, so I can’t see how it was missed.
 
Tetris-Rock said:
By that logic, he would never go anywhere. He was there to celebrate a film made about his life - one designed to raise awareness of the reality of Tourette’s.

I don’t doubt the harm caused to Jordan, Lindo and any black people in the audience at that event - it would have been absolutely horrifying in that moment to be subject to such a charged word and i’ve no doubt that the experience would have been traumatising. The organisers should be deeply apologetic to them, and the BBC are fools for broadcasting it. There is a line to be drawn in terms of showing the reality of Tourette’s and preventing harm - and i’d say that is that line. The audience at the event were forewarned about his presence - perhaps it could have been better explained just how offensive his tics can be?

I have however seen a lot of wilful ignorance around Tourettes online since - particularly from Americans. Brits, including black Brits, seem to be a lot more understanding. I’ve seen Americans call black Brits ‘c**ns’ for defending him! Someone involved in the production of Sinners has been tweeting about it, mentioning further incidents at the dinner, and this is continuing to perpetuate the idea that he had any control over what he said and when. I’ve seen people pivot to saying that that they get that he has no control over it but that he should apologise - his public statement stops just short of that. I do wonder if he has a particular philosophy around that. In the film, there is quite an important scene where he is at the supermarket and keeps saying ‘sorry’ - and the woman that takes him in tells him to stop apologising for something he can’t help.
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I had a bit of a kick-off yesterday with someone saying that, regardless of intention, he should apologise. By that logic would they demand a formal apology from someone in a wheelchair for not participating in a standing ovation? Nobody should ever need to apologise for being disabled. Apologies are owed for the way it was handled and the abject lack of aftercare offered to the hosts, but under no circumstances should he apologise or an apology be offered on his behalf.
 
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