Coronavirus

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Are you worried about contracting coronavirus?

  • Yes, I am absolutely terrified

    Votes: 12 15.6%

  • Yes, I am slightly concerned

    Votes: 35 45.5%

  • I am neither concerned or unconcerned

    Votes: 7 9.1%

  • No, I am slightly unconcerned

    Votes: 6 7.8%

  • No, I am totally unconcerned

    Votes: 6 7.8%

  • Bring back the old poll

    Votes: 3 3.9%

  • Charlotte Awbrey tits out doing the Macarena

    Votes: 2 2.6%

  • I believe VoR is evil

    Votes: 11 14.3%
  • Total voters
    77
Lucille said:
How stringently is this being enforced? I imagine most venues will be happy to pretend? I have 3 lunches this week I’d rather not sit outside for.
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...and people wonder why it's spreading like fuck again :manson:
 
Lucille said:
How stringently is this being enforced? I imagine most venues will be happy to pretend? I have 3 lunches this week I’d rather not sit outside for.
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Apparently the venue can be fined, but who's checking? We went to Sea Containers on Saturday with a couple of people - my friend who booked it changed our table for 4 to 2 tables for 2 after the rules came in, but when we got there they said "we're not checking, it's up to the customers"
(We did sit separately but on adjacent tables, then went for a drink outside afterwards)

But in that Twitter thread someone is saying they were asked to provide proof of address somewhere. :emoji_shrug:
 
There was a story on the local news last night about a pub who had moved all tables to be 1.5m apart, but who were refusing to intervene if large groups were moving chairs to sit together. I imagine that's probably repeated everywhere.
 
Rita said:
Is a 2 week circuit breaker long enough to keep things at bay until Christmas? I’m not sure. I personally think what Ireland are doing is the most sensible at the moment, but obviously that comes with its own problems.
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They should have done it weeks ago. It probably wouldn't be quite enough but even if it allowed small groups of people together for Xmas that would be better than right now whereby we're all alone in our own households!
 
Circuit breaking combined with massive testing seems to be the only sensible way to handling this...as long as people actually obey the rules, and stay home when they’re showing symptoms (or even when they aren’t).

I don’t see how a total lockdown (even if I wish I could experience it for a week or two) is going to work when the cases will increase again as soon as the lockdown is over.
 
If this government try to keep people away from their families at Christmas because they failed to do anything useful sooner, they will lose what little support they have left. And they can also get to fuck because I'm going anyway.
 
Star said:
They should have done it weeks ago. It probably wouldn't be quite enough but even if it allowed small groups of people together for Xmas that would be better than right now whereby we're all alone in our own households!
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I think doing a circuit breaker for the whole month of November would be a sensible option with everything opening again in December. The shops and hospitality would all benefit greatly from the festivities and they would hopefully be able to run at more capacity than what they are doing now.
 
Lucille said:
I can’t imagine any pub/restaurant could survive if they enforced it strictly anyway.
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Never mind who would want to enforce it if you're potentially one person taking on a group of 12 pissed up people?
 
I'm in favour of a 'circuit breaker' but it has to be done properly. Even Wales is a bit half-hearted. You can't go get your hair cut, but 8 years of school pupils and preschool can carry on like normal? RIGHT THEN.
 
RaspberrySwirl said:
Where does Moopy stand on the issue of lockdowns. Do we think it is a necessary evil or a useless way of handling the pandemic?

I’m sure it’s been discussed to death in here but a poll should be added.
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I don't know how to feel about it to be honest. I supported the original one but kind of saw it as "our one opportunity" and we just flung everything open in July in a hurry - the numbers were going down wonderfully, and just another 2 weeks or so could've seen them down to single digits and manageable. But instead of that or "let's slowly ease things open one at a time and see what we can get away with" it was "ahh blow it, let's open all the things! Tim Martin said so!"

Locked down too late to save thousands of lives, opened up too early to keep numbers under control and have a fighting chance with the "whack-a-mole" strategy.

I'd be happy to give a "short sharp couple of weeks" a go to see if it helps (it won't get us down to 0, but it might regain control for long enough to keep us going til the vaccine), as long as it's done properly - a strict start end end date so everyone knows where they're at (if it turns out not long enough then say "oh well we tried", not "right then, another 3 weeks"), insist with legal backing that office employees are allowed to work from home unless the employer can absolutely prove they can't, instead of just "guidance", have an extra week of half term itself rather than sending the kids back half way through the breaker, properly fund the businesses that have to close so that they don't go under, etc. But what I fear is a repeat of March where "just a couple of weeks to get things under control" turns into 5 months of economic and mental devastation and needing Thursday evening saucepan banging sessions just to feel some kind of human connection outside of the internet.

On the other hand, the local whack-a-mole strategy doesn't work and nor will these tiny little tweaks to it like the 3 tiers or pub closing times. We've been at it for getting on for 4 months now, it's not done anything. I can't really advocate "not doing anything", and it seems the choice is between "do nothing" (an umbrella term that includes the current methodology because that's exactly how effective it isn't) and "hard lockdown".

Theoretically I think we could "afford" to do more of a lockdown for longer, by paying people to stay at home, paying businesses to close, providing good mental health support, and following up with UBI to cover things for anyone who loses their job. Yes this would increase our debt, but a country is not a household - there's no mounting pile of credit cards that needs to be paid off or else you lose your house or financially ruin your kids when you die, we just borrow more to pay the debts and all end up in the same boat - countries don't have kids or a house and are all doing the same thing. Global economy is weird that way. But the Tories circa 2010 managed to convince people it's like a household. This is very much Not The Tory Way though, it kind of "reeks of socialism" and would instead be done in a way that pushes more people into plain old unemployment and poverty. I do think this could unfortunately cause more deaths than it prevents, though I'd love to see some kind of unbiased scientific modelling done to figure out if it would or wouldn't.
 
Ms Rons colleague has been off for 2 weeks after testing positive. She works in close proximity to him, but luckily we have been fine.

She's just got a notification on the app about it. TWO WEEKS LATER.

If there's any reason the cases are going up, its not students, its not bars, its not gyms, its useless fucking tories and their outsourcing to shit companies like Serco.
 
Meanwhile, man sends untouched swab in and gets a positive result:

 
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The Mancunian response to this is a bit Scouse in tone. Stop. We like Manchester.

Not that I know what the issues are.
 
Ag said:
The Mancunian response to this is a bit Scouse in tone. Stop. We like Manchester.

Not that I know what the issues are.
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I'm in the mood for some civil disobedience. I hope it kicks off.
 
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So, the Tories were offering £60 million in support to Greater Manchester earlier. Greater Manchester was asking for £65 million, having lowered from their initial request.



What a cunt.
 
I am gobsmacked at how the government are playing this. It is like they are deliberately trying to throw away their gains in the North.
 
I wonder if all of these Tory MPs who are kicking off are more likely to a) resign and recommend that their constituents support someone else in the by-election or b) do nothing.
 
dmlaw said:
I wonder if all of these Tory MPs who are kicking off are more likely to a) resign and recommend that their constituents support someone else in the by-election or b) do nothing.
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Oh nothing of course. Just carry on plotting on how to get rid of Johnson as soon as winter is over
 
Apparently it’s getting rife in parts of Margate .
On the plus side this rule of six means I can use that as my excuse not to attend any family Christmas things
 
Apparently they're going to pick off other councils now and leave manchester hanging. I'm proper itching to take to the streets.
 
We're basically back in April here. All sorts of sports activities (gyms, swimming pools, sauna, joint outdoor activities), hotels, restaurants (take-away only) etc. etc. are closed. Try to avoid leaving the district, only leave your house/flat if you need to go to work, to the doctor or similar. Essential stuff only.

They say it's 2 weeks but I think a month is more realistic. Ah well.
 
Star said:
At least they're doing something half decent.
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I think so and I hope so. It's hurting hospitaly a lot because it's a pretty big tourism destination but overall I hope we'll see effects relatively soon. Do I think they came down quite harsh on the district to set an example to the rest of the country? Yes, a little. But as long as it stops some people from behaving like covidiots because they don't want another lockdown, I'm happy for the region to play sacrificial lamb for a month.
 
Rita said:
241 deaths. For FUCK SAKES.
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I got absolutely CLOBBERED for pointing this out on Reddit (like, last I saw the comment was at -25), but if it's any consolation it's just the weekend catching up. If you look at the history:

Code: 
Date    Tests processed    Positive    Deaths    Positive %
13/10/2020    219,074    17,234    143    7.87
14/10/2020    264,713    19,724    137    7.45
15/10/2020    295,690    18,980    138    6.42
16/10/2020    304,315    15,650    136    5.14
17/10/2020    312,178    16,171    150    5.18
18/10/2020    308,416    16,982    67    5.51
19/10/2020    306,893    18,804    80    6.13
Today    260,338    21,331    241    8.19

The mean over the past 3 days is 129, which is lower than earlier in the week. Still not good, but not as terrifying as it looks
 
Rita said:
I think doing a circuit breaker for the whole month of November would be a sensible option with everything opening again in December. The shops and hospitality would all benefit greatly from the festivities and they would hopefully be able to run at more capacity than what they are doing now.
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I agree in theory but in practice November does not work for me at all. So to hell with the lot of you, lock the country down in December instead Boris :eyes:
 
THE SNU reporting 2 week circuit breaker will start in Scotland on Friday at 7pm. :o
 
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