General Election 2019

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Who are you planning to vote for?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Change UK (Independent Group For Change)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Conservative Party

    Votes: 2 4.1%

  • Democratic Union Party (DUP)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Independent

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Labour Party

    Votes: 35 71.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 7 14.3%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Sinn Féin

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Scottish National Party (SNP)

    Votes: 2 4.1%

  • UK Independence Party (UKIP)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 3 6.1%
  • Total voters
    49
Tetris-Rock said:
This is actually a misnomer. I've seen some good analysis demonstrating that the core online community of TERFS is actually pretty small but amplified by some loud and powerful voices (Gl*nner, for one) and lots of supposed "representative groups" which have a lot of overlap in support/membership (e.g. Women's Place UK, Transgender Trend, the new LGB Alliance etc etc etc).

With regards to no. 1 Nicky Morgan stan account Slave - you can't complain at people for not respecting your reasons for voting a certain way when you haven't actually shared what has driven you to vote Conservative.

And while I agree with VoR that public shaming is a highly ineffective tactic with regards to getting anyone to change their mind politically, I also care far too much about politics and society to respect the beliefs of anyone who would actually vote for the Conservative Party. They've always been bad but the current cabinet, including the Prime Minister himself, is laden with self-serving sociopaths.

To put it quite simply, they do not believe that everyone deserves a basic standard of living. They don't give a fuck about anyone but those with money - and people buy into it because they want to protect their own little slice of the pie.

They do not care, at all, about improving the state of public services because their ideology dictates that only the bare minimum if anything should be provided by the state and any claims that they do is window dressing. They have used an economic crisis, which took place under Labour but was essentially borne of the deregulated city boy fuckery that they endorse fully, to justify draconian cuts to the safety net that people with illness and disabilities need to survive. The United Nations has deemed the UK Government to be in violation of its human rights obligations, for fuck's sake. We are a very wealthy country in which ideology is preventing the basic needs of citizens being met.

It's hard to conceptualise how they get away with this, but of course they use their media connections to denigrate the opposition and to play on people's inherent prejudices and tendency, particularly when there isn't a lot to go around, to think of their own interests regardless of what it means for wider society. I can understand people voting Tory for largely self-interested reasons, and for that I guess I reserve my right to judge them. If someone votes Tory because they think they are making Britain a better place to be, I can only assume they are on shrooms.

Yes, I am somehow EVEN MORE of an insufferable preachy lesbain these days. I think living in London has made me even more left wing because I feel like I observe the effects of the Tories' particular brand of late stage disaster capitalism on a daily basis.
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This is exactly what I meant, but with so much more eloquence. <3
 
Tetris-Rock said:
This is actually a misnomer. I've seen some good analysis demonstrating that the core online community of TERFS is actually pretty small but amplified by some loud and powerful voices (Gl*nner, for one) and lots of supposed "representative groups" which have a lot of overlap in support/membership (e.g. Women's Place UK, Transgender Trend, the new LGB Alliance etc etc etc).

With regards to no. 1 Nicky Morgan stan account Slave - you can't complain at people for not respecting your reasons for voting a certain way when you haven't actually shared what has driven you to vote Conservative.

And while I agree with VoR that public shaming is a highly ineffective tactic with regards to getting anyone to change their mind politically, I also care far too much about politics and society to respect the beliefs of anyone who would actually vote for the Conservative Party. They've always been bad but the current cabinet, including the Prime Minister himself, is laden with self-serving sociopaths.

To put it quite simply, they do not believe that everyone deserves a basic standard of living. They don't give a fuck about anyone but those with money - and people buy into it because they want to protect their own little slice of the pie.

They do not care, at all, about improving the state of public services because their ideology dictates that only the bare minimum if anything should be provided by the state and any claims that they do is window dressing. They have used an economic crisis, which took place under Labour but was essentially borne of the deregulated city boy fuckery that they endorse fully, to justify draconian cuts to the safety net that people with illness and disabilities need to survive. The United Nations has deemed the UK Government to be in violation of its human rights obligations, for fuck's sake. We are a very wealthy country in which ideology is preventing the basic needs of citizens being met.

It's hard to conceptualise how they get away with this, but of course they use their media connections to denigrate the opposition and to play on people's inherent prejudices and tendency, particularly when there isn't a lot to go around, to think of their own interests regardless of what it means for wider society. I can understand people voting Tory for largely self-interested reasons, and for that I guess I reserve my right to judge them. If someone votes Tory because they think they are making Britain a better place to be, I can only assume they are on shrooms.

Yes, I am somehow EVEN MORE of an insufferable preachy lesbain these days. I think living in London has made me even more left wing because I feel like I observe the effects of the Tories' particular brand of late stage disaster capitalism on a daily basis.
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That's how you make a 14 paragraph post and make it interesting and relevant.
 
There are a lot of people out there who have abhorrent views on transgendered women, most of these are CIS women. They might not be as vocal as TERFs but they're out there online. They seem to have a problem with transgendered women being treated as equals to them. They can go fuck themselves.

But the problem is that people with these views are sometimes threatened with violence, death threats and abuse online, by few extremists and that just plays into their hand, as they complain they are being abused for their views and that they should have the right to free speech. Sure, people can be very passionate about their beliefs, but the abusive behaviour makes things worse, and gives the TERFs even more of an outlet.
 
Kalabaliken said:
But the problem is that people with these views are sometimes threatened with violence, death threats and abuse online, by few extremists and that just plays into their hand, as they complain they are being abused for their views and that they should have the right to free speech. Sure, people can be very passionate about their beliefs, but the abusive behaviour makes things worse, and gives the TERFs even more of an outlet.
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No. All you're doing here is allowing them to tar everyone with the same brush. Julie Bindel got shouted at when she spoke at Edinburgh University, an event that caused the entire LGBT+ committee there to resign. She turned this into "tried to assault me", made herself out to be the victim and it became "how terrible all these people are". In the same way that the Daily Mail try and make you think anyone with brown skin is a terrorist, TERFs try and make you think that all trans women are a threat. It's classic prejudice, finding the worst behaved person of any group and painting them as indicative of everyone who falls within that bracket.
 
octophone said:
No. All you're doing here is allowing them to tar everyone with the same brush. Julie Bindel got shouted at when she spoke at Edinburgh University, an event that caused the entire LGBT+ committee there to resign. She turned this into "tried to assault me", made herself out to be the victim and it became "how terrible all these people are". In the same way that the STOP FUCKING HATE try and make you think anyone with brown skin is a terrorist, TERFs try and make you think that all trans women are a threat. It's classic prejudice, finding the worst behaved person of any group and painting them as indicative of everyone who falls within that bracket.
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I agree, but there's a difference between calling someone out for their beliefs and behaviour in a civilised manner and tweeting that they want to murder TERFs. And that happens. TERFs are cunts. But it's giving them more fuel for their victim complex fire to say stuff like that.
 
Kalabaliken said:
But it's giving them more fuel for their victim complex fire to say stuff like that.
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Those kind of people will always blame someone else for the fires they lit under themselves. It always amounts to "everything would be fine if you didn't exist" and falls under the exact same set of mental gymnastics that allows people to pine for "the good ol' days" before "that lot" (inset the "lot" of your choice...) "ruined everything" (insert thing that has usually be drastically improved as a result of a meritocracy)
 
octophone said:
Those kind of people will always blame someone else for the fires they lit under themselves. It always amounts to "everything would be fine if you didn't exist" and falls under the exact same set of mental gymnastics that allows people to pine for "the good ol' days" before "that lot" (inset the "lot" of your choice...) "ruined everything" (insert thing that has usually be drastically improved as a result of a meritocracy)
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Of course they will. What I am saying though is that the death threats are out of order.
 
Ag said:
Wow. A thick joke. I'll pop that on my PhD application xx
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Why don’t you just admit that all of these cheap shots at my writing style are because I had the temerity to call out your awful personality?

There are some sycophants on here who’ll nod their heads at whatever you say but honestly, they’re either doing it out of politeness or pity. You’re a spiteful, resentful person and your doctorate will not change that.
 
Kalabaliken said:
Of course they will. What I am saying though is that the death threats are out of order.
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No dispute. What is more out of order is using the actions of a tiny minority to victimise thousands. People who do that will attract a response commensurate with those actions.
 
Mugatu said:
Why don’t you just admit that all of these cheap shots at my writing style are because I had the temerity to call out your awful personality?

There are some sycophants on here who’ll nod their heads at whatever you say but honestly, they’re either doing it out of politeness or pity. You’re a spiteful, resentful person and your doctorate will not change that.
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Mugatu said:
Why don’t you just admit that all of these cheap shots at my writing style are because I had the temerity to call out your awful personality?

There are some sycophants on here who’ll nod their heads at whatever you say but honestly, they’re either doing it out of politeness or pity. You’re a spiteful, resentful person and your doctorate will not change that.
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Wow you got Tory Broomhelga and hate tagger Peekaboo to like that post. They're your sycophants. Enjoy.

I think your political posts are long and boring and you're astonishingly easy to antagonise. I'm not going to justify what you think I am with an especially considered response because we don't really know each other.
 
Ag said:
Wow you got Tory Broomhelga and hate tagger Peekaboo to like that post. They're your sycophants. Enjoy.

I think your political posts are long and boring and you're astonishingly easy to antagonise. I'm not going to justify what you think I am with an especially considered response because we don't really know each other.
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Since you spent 3 days melting down about me the last time this happened, and just came back for a second bite at responding to me 7 hours later, I'll pass on the judgement about who's easy to antagonise.

Like I said before, you have the thinnest skin on here by miles and are a complete coward. I'm confident that many more people who didn't like my post agree with me.
 
A pact is surely never going to happen as the Conservatives will not want to withdraw candidates in any seats. The best the Tories can hope for is Brexit Party candidates being withdrawn in marginal seats where the Tory candidate is pro-leave.
 
Labour need to sort their shit out and get in that pact for the good of the country. I don't give a fuck about the ins and outs of who is good and who is bad and why, but at the very core of this is the possibility of five years with Boris Johnson as PM. It doesn't bear thinking about. Everyone who can must do what they can to maximize the chances of this not happening. It's seriously making me anxious.
 
And I back that up with the latest polling. The Tories are hitting 40% on multiple polls. This isn't 2017 with May fucking up hard. This 2019 with Johnson/ Cummings. Fucked. Absolutely fucked.
 
What IS the latest opinion polling? Johnson has gone UP since the election was announced?

JESUS FUCKING WEPT
 
On the bright side, an election now means that Boris will only get five years in power, reduced to four and a half if he doesn't want another winter election, rather than the eight he would have got if he'd clung on until 2022.

I see I started that post with 'On the bright side'. I don't know why I did that.
 
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These kinda numbers would give a them a well over 100 majority. Now Farage is basically pulling out I'd say, without something drastic, it's all over until May 2024.
 
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