Star Trek: Picard

I'd love Kira to appear but it would feel really contrived now, given that no DS9 characters have featured thus far. It's massively unfair that the show is always ignored - I much preferred it to Voyager overall.

Also this season really needed more episodes to flesh out the story properly. Three episodes left and too much too cover.
 
In summary, I think that was probably the weakest episode of the season (which isn't bad considering the strike rate so far). Aside from the fantastic Picard/Crusher/Vadic face off, the rest was a bit meh and Geordie aside, Lore's scenes were a bit tedious.

I still think they shot themselves in the foot by featuring Brent Spiner more than was necessary in Picard overall. His scenes don't have much impact now which is a real shame because the actor is undoubtedly great - I never thought I'd say that about Data
 
Such the almost perfect series. All the nostalgia and call backs

So cinematic

I need more movies with this lot
I just think about all that time wasted after Nemesis when they were still young enough to have a series like this crafted around them. Gutted. :(
 
I just think about all that time wasted after Nemesis when they were still young enough to have a series like this crafted around them. Gutted. :(

Was thinking the same

I just want more and more cameos. Which I’m sure we are going to get

Is a series 4 already planned or is this it?
 
Was thinking the same

I just want more and more cameos. Which I’m sure we are going to get

Is a series 4 already planned or is this it?
This is it for Picard, it was always planned to end after the third season. I wouldn't be surprised if something new set in the same era gets announced at some point, though...
 
This is it for Picard, it was always planned to end after the third season. I wouldn't be surprised if something new set in the same era gets announced at some point, though...

Makes sense. It does seem super all in with this

I think I’ll do a series restart - probably deep space nine as it’s been awhile
 
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I strongly suspect
the series will end with Jean Luc's death :( ...properly this time
 
I do like a good villain origin story. It'd be nice if this turned out to be a sort of S31 redemption story where they say "shit actually we were the baddies and we just turned a blind eye to it all the time, we accept responsibility" and made up that way. But that wouldn't do much good if they're glorifying S31 for a spin-off.

Unrelated - does anyone else end up turning subtitles on or am I just hard of hearing? Scenes like when Vadic was talking to her hand monster were impossible for me to understand without them. It also doesn't help that the action scenes are BLARING and then in scenes like the turbolift they start whispering.
 
Whether he dies or not, it's probably best to end Picard's arc this season. Poor P-Stew looks like he'd tip over in a strong-moderate breeze. :(

Would be more than happy to see the rest of the cast carry on in some form or another though, but that's probably unlikely.
 
According to Gates (McFadden), the cast and crew worked much shorter hours because of him (possibly at his insistence). He was what, 81 when he filmed this? I'm trying to think of other actors working in their 80s these days. It doesn't seem too old and he still appears quite vital in interviews.

But yes, in terms of realistic storylines, it is probably best. I did generally like the first season and the second had its highlights (mainly John De Lancie) but I really think they missed a trick in not making the show more cerebral at the start in the vein of the best TNG episodes.
 
Poor guy is certainly getting on. I do admire that he's done this show while he still can, and has put his heart and soul into it. But yeah I mean... even presenting "have I got news" a good 5 or so years ago I remember noticing how laboured his speech was and it didn't get any better.

Stopping at 3 seasons seems wise. I wasn't sure he'd make it this long. Best to quit while you're ahead and not have to try and write in a reason for Picard himself suddenly disappearing for good off-screen.
 
He has 9 years on Shatner but I'm surprised at how relatively young the latter sounds in comparison to PStew. I don't think his actual speech is laboured though. My guess is all the projecting that Stewart has had to do in theatre has played havoc on his vocal chords.
 
I've posted this before but I LOVE Marina Sirtis' relationship with Patrick Stewart. She clearly loves him, but doesn't defer to him in any way whatsoever. :D



See also any interview clip where she routinely refers to him as 'old baldy'.
 
Could be that but I just noticed both in this and his HIGNFY appearance how his speech is... I don't know how to word it and maybe "laboured" isn't correct. Slurred almost? I just get a sense that he's struggling. William Hartnell (first doctor) was similar especially in his (final) multi doctor appearance, that was apparently something related to heart failure
 
Marina has completely taken herself off social media after her husband's death hasn't she? Coupled with the fact that she has moved back to the UK, she's now the least visible member of the TNG cast.

They are still a very tight knit bunch but I'd imagine in the absence of any other family there, it became a rather lonely existence. I know she had mentioned in a number of interviews over the years and indeed recently on Gates' podcast that she never wanted children but I came across a clip on a US talk show shortly after she got married in the early 90s where she was asked what the one thing she wanted in life was and she replied with (the perhaps requisite) " a child". :(
 
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I do need to post this response to someone questioning Patrick Stewart's portrayal (sometimes nerds really do miss the point) in Picard on reddit because it deftly and perfectly explains why it is so apt and important to see:

Patrick Stewart' range and portrayal of Picard.​


Starting to wonder if I'm alone I'm thinking PS has lost some of the presence and gravitas that made Picard so special on screen. He seems frail, weak and disinterested and his almost slurred speech lacks power and authority. Specifically in regard to his age, I've seen PS in interviews and other media where he gives a much more spirited performance. I just feel like this can't possibly be the same stoic and self assured character from TNG. Any thoughts?

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I've written about this before in my defence of seasons 1 and 2, but I'll reiterate here, slightly differently.

That's life. And that's the point of the show. You are not who you were 35 years ago, or 22 years ago. Patrick Stewart has said in many interviews that the reason he came back to the role is because he wanted to explore how time and aging changed Picard, because he'd gotten to the point in life where he could reflect on who he was during TNG and see how much he had personally changed.

If you are feeling a pang of "This is not my Picard, he's lost a step, he's not as self-serious as he used to, he's making questionable decisions," well...yeah, that's the point. And the same is true of the rest of the crew. They've all gone away and lived decades of their lives off screen.
We, in the fandom, also have a very weird perspective on things, because the old shows are a part of our present, as well as our past. That gives us a very unnatural sense of the "jump" in the characters.

For those of us old enough to have watched our parents' generation age from the prime of adulthood into old age, we know there is both pain and grace in the toll time extracts from us mortals. With each passing year comes some new frailty, or some slip in memory. They go from providers and protectors to needing care themselves. Hopefully, however, we also see in old age some wisdom, some acceptance, and a re-prioritization of what really matters.

Now, imagine if every week we watched 30 year old home movies of those elderly loved ones, and then, one day after years of absence, they show up at our homes, aged, worn, changed. We may barely recognize them.

Yes, this is a different Picard. Yes, there's pain in accepting that both Patrick Stewart and Picard are older men who've changed with time and don't have the same vigor we remember. I would argue, however, that making him the same character as in TNG, or the movies, would ring so unbelievable and hollow that it would come across as absurd and sad.
 
Came across the same post when I was searching to see if it was just me noticing that about the way his speech is. It's a good post- for sure none of them are the same people they were 22+ years ago. Who is?

But yeah on the speech subject it's been like that for a while. Maybe indeed it's that chewing so much scenery over the years does wreak havoc on your vocal chords, but that it's not necessarily a sign of general ill health like when Hartnell was fluffing his way through his lines in the 60s.
 
Hartnell had vascular dementia (quite early onset as well :(), so hopefully Patrick Stewart doesn't have any condition as serious as that if there is indeed an underlying issue. I do feel like part of it is just how he's playing the character now; he certainly has moments like at the end of episode two(?) this season where he channels the more commanding presence he had on TNG.
 
Poor
bald Vulcan bridge officer :(

Loved the scene in the observation lounge. Loved Worf's reunion with Troi. :D Generally just loved all the scenes featuring interactions between the legacy characters.

Really wish we had more time to reacquaint ourselves with them.

Vadic's demise was pretty spectacular too
 
Great episode, Marina Sirtis might not have been in as many eps as the others but she got some great stuff this week. I loved the Data/Lore stuff (and seeing Spot again :o) and my only drawback was the absolute TEASE of that ending!

Speaking of teasing, Vadic saying it was appropriate for Seven to be there when she was teasing Jack about what he is... it HAS to be Borg-related, surely? Either that or related to the delta quadrant somehow, but that seems a bit tenuous.
 
Does anyone listen to/watch the Newbie Star Trek podcast/show?

It's absolutely hilarious. They are currently doing a deep dive into TNG.
 
Apparently some images from the next episode have leaked, including the identity of the villain. I haven't seen them yet and am not seeking them out, but BE CAREFUL for the next couple of days! Also remember that the US will see the episode a day before most of us, so the internet might be slightly treacherous if you're trying to avoid spoilers.
 
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I couldn't wait, I did a dodgy download and no spoilers but
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST AT ABSOLUTELY ALL OF THAT :disco: :disco: :disco:
 
My one peeve is that Marina Sirtis is basically just playing herself now and it did threaten to take me out of the moment at times.

She still had a BIT of the old Troi about her when she appeared in season one so her performance was just :confused: .
 
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You wouldn't get that with Queen Gates, because she is WHAT? Professional :disco:
Gates is great and I'm glad that the focus is more on her this time but it's just very apparent that Sirtis no longer has any desire to play her own character. She isn't even trying. Apart from a few lines when she was counselling Jack, there was no indication that this was the same character from the series, the movies or even the first season of Picard.
 
I don't care if Marina Sirtis isn't doing the exact voice any more, I've loved Troi these past two episodes. I thought she was great in the red door scene with Jack, and I loved her pulling rank on Picard and Crusher. :disco:
 
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I did laugh at her being as rubbish a counselor as ever :D

"Don't worry Jack, I'm here, we'll open the door together"
*immediately runs out of the room as soon as the door opens*
 

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