The HOTLY ANTICIPATED 2022 Christmas Number One thread

Slade have released a 12" of Merry Christmas Everybody this year - does that reset their streaming ratio, ASR or whatever it;s called.
 
Penelope said:
Think the label needs to have a word with OCC for that to happen
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Yes, I think it's supposed to happen automatically if the track is less than 3 years old (so Sheeran will have an automatic advantage), but it has to be applied for somehow if it's over that.

Not sure what the OCC are looking for, or if they decline requests though.
 
Yeah not sure too much on the rules. They allowed Kate, but whilst the label weren’t repromoting the single, the Stranger Things link obviously made enough ‘difference’ for them to do so. I’m not sure simply releasing a vinyl would be action enough to get a song reset as far as in it being reactively repromoted.
 
If they do get a reset on that basis, you can bet yr sweet posterior that they'll all be at it over the next few years.

I'd certainly pay good money for a nice vinyl edition from Wizzard.
 
Penelope said:
I'd say if anything, there's been a real resurgence in artists recording original Christmas songs in recent years. There pretty much wasn't one of note full stop for a decade between The Darkness and Leona Lewis in 2013. Since 2017 there's been a real deluge.
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Yes, I didn’t realise we had so many new Christmas songs until the other day when I put on the music channels for an hour and saw a lot of newer artists with TERRIBLE Christmas songs that I haven’t ever came across in the chart or anything.
 
Thinking about it, didn't Wham release a 7" a couple of years ago? I don't think they had a reset though.

It's odd, because you could argue that releasing a physical product is more in the way of promotion by a label than a song being chosen for a TV show. But then the RUTH gained a lot more traction and was actively sought, rather than passively playlisted, so I definitely think the OCC made the right decision.

And when so much of the chart seems arbitrary with the OCC making the rules up as they go along, it all seems pointless to quibble with whatever decision takes their whim.
 
The Ed Sheeran/Elton John duet may be the third highest Christmas track in the overall chart, but it's only the 16th highest most streamed Christmas song - which shows how much difference not being on ACR makes. And hopefully may indicate it hasn't taken hold quite yet.
 
Penelope said:
For my sins, I think the Ed Sheeran/Elton one is a pretty decent contribution to the modern canon.
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Midweeks

6 Stormzy
7 Mariah Carey
9 Wham!
12 Ed Sheeran/Elton John
19 Brenda Lee
24 Michael Buble
26 Ariana Grande
29 Shakin' Stevens
30 Lizzo
32 Kelly Clarkson
33 Pogues/Kirsty MacColl
35 Band Aid
36 Bobby Helms
40 Chris Rea
43 Elton John
48 Andy Williams
50 Wizzard
51 Paul McCartney
58 Slade
59 Leona
60 Michael Buble
61 Dean Martin
65 Ronettes
68 Sia
69 John and Yoko
73 Jose Feliciano
75 Justin Bieber
77 Kelly Clarkson & Ariana Grande
78 Maisie Peters
87 Darlene Love
88 Sam Ryder
93 Frank Sinatra
95 Jona Lewie

Stormzy, Lizzo, Maisie Peters and Sam Ryder are all from the soundtrack to the Amazon Prime film 'Your Christmas Or Mine?', which is apparently released on Friday.
 
I've seen someone on ukmix post that Mariah would probably be #1 already if it wasn't for ACR, but I'm not sure if that is confirmed. I assume it will be confirmed if it is true on Friday.
 
Streaming has ruined the Christmas charts, hasn't it? They should start hiving off anything over 5-10 years old.
 
She has over half of ‘sales’ of what Taylor has, so I guess if her streams were doubled (assuming 99% of her sales or whatnot are from streaming) then logically that would be right?

Xmas songs do tend to fall during the weekdays on streaming though so will be interesting come Friday.
 
octophone said:
Streaming has ruined the Christmas charts, hasn't it? They should start hiving off anything over 5-10 years old.
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Downloads were fine as people only purchased once and were done, so they made it in but just around #5 for the big ones for one week or two.

The final five charts of each year now have at least 50% Xmas songs. It’s just pointless to be honest.
 
I say it every year. Time for a catalogue singles chart. Having two main charts in the streaming era is not a problem. We can still celebrate all the trending classics for Xmas and from TV show features and viral content. And then new and current artists have a chance at success

I’m shocked the industry hasn’t demanded it. This is damaging to current music.
 
What would've happened with Running Up That Hill on this proposal? Let's be honest, that has been the biggest chart story of the year. I'm not sure the OCC would go for anything that shoved that onto a catalogue list, but I could potentially see ways of having one where it might not have necessarily been.
 
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lolly said:
Stormzy, Lizzo, Maisie Peters and Sam Ryder are all from the soundtrack to the Amazon Prime film 'Your Christmas Or Mine?', which is apparently released on Friday.
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Oh for god’s sake :D
 
Penelope said:
What would've happened with Running Up This Hill on this proposal? Let's be honest, that has been the biggest chart story of the year. I'm not sure the OCC would go for anything that shoved that onto a catalogue list, but I could potentially see ways of having one where it might not have necessarily been.
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This is a very good point. However more the exception than the rule? Perhaps a simple rule that the label needs to submit for a reset if a song is actively promoted again?

Heatwaves hits 100 weeks this week. It’s a huge hit (and fab song) but it isn’t a ‘current’ track. I‘m not wanting to falsely represent things but it’s pointless if no new music can’t get in and exposed for five weeks every year, let alone the long running 2+ year old songs that are simply streamed enough day in day out. By no means throw things out at week 20 or anything, but perhaps once it’s been in the chart 52 weeks it then goes to a recurrent chart if it falls below #40? That’ll give new Xmas songs and songs that weren’t hits at the time but blew up later (‘Arcade’ for example) their rightful runs but take out any that have been actively charting over a year.
 
I think RUTH is such an exception that no rule could be written around it. Even an artist's death doesn't create the kind of activity that song saw over the summer.
 
octophone said:
Streaming has ruined the Christmas charts, hasn't it? They should start hiving off anything over 5-10 years old.
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It's not just the Christmas chart as well - I think if it was one week only I'd almost quite enjoy it, but here we are still at the end of November and a third of the singles chart is set to be Christmas songs already. For 10% of the year the chart is fucked.

Surely the record companies can't be happy with this, as it must affect campaign strategies and particularly impact new acts potentially breaking through.

I think the Kate Bush issue does highlight a potential problem with taking old songs out with a flat rule, but as Devil says, that really was exceptional, and I don't see any problem with the OCC having to step outside the rules in exceptional circumstances.

And as I said before, RUTH was very different in that people were actively seeking it out - effectively it was a 'new' song. It's the passivity of playlisting listening that irritates me in a single being a hit every year by virtue of Spotify or Amazon promoting it and it being played entirely because of that, rather than people thinking 'oh I'd really like to hear 'Jingle Bell Rock' now. If spotify could show how many people were actively seeking music like that (or even listening to their own curated playlists), I'd be a lot more favourable to it charting in the way they do.
 
I think if there was a catalogue chart, RUTH being recognised as #1 on that chart for weeks, if it was recognised as a legit OCC chart, and the stat that it is outselling the Top 100 singles chart songs, would be still a big enough story.

It’s not like the current chart is reflective of actual popularity anyway. The ACR thing is so ludicrously unscientific. Separating the charts means going back to actual true streams across two different categories, both with their own merit.
 
lolly said:
It's not just the Christmas chart as well - I think if it was one week only I'd almost quite enjoy it, but here we are still at the end of November and a third of the singles chart is set to be Christmas songs already. For 10% of the year the chart is fucked.

Surely the record companies can't be happy with this, as it must affect campaign strategies and particularly impact new acts potentially breaking through.

I think the Kate Bush issue does highlight a potential problem with taking old songs out with a flat rule, but as Devil says, that really was exceptional, and I don't see any problem with the OCC having to step outside the rules in exceptional circumstances.

And as I said before, RUTH was very different in that people were actively seeking it out - effectively it was a 'new' song. It's the passivity of playlisting listening that irritates me in a single being a hit every year by virtue of Spotify or Amazon promoting it and it being played entirely because of that, rather than people thinking 'oh I'd really like to hear 'Jingle Bell Rock' now. If spotify could show how many people were actively seeking music like that (or even listening to their own curated playlists), I'd be a lot more favourable to it charting in the way they do.
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Agree with all of this. It must be so shit trying to run a campaign, but knowing there is little use of unleashing anything post late November if you are after any single chart action. Then it may not recover if unlucky in the new year and the whole thing is shot to shit. Not to mention the public miss out on any new music for the final few weeks of the year because understandably no one wants to release.

ACR I don’t mind in occasionally freshening the chart up, but it has so many downfalls. Olivia Rodrigo’s Driver’s License showed that - thanks to it hitting ACR, then the album pushing it to only her fourth most streamed, but increasing it enough to get it reset and then subsequently reentering the charts was nuts.

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That last random entry at #6 being because the album forced it to increase and be reset but it only then became her third most streamed two weeks later, so was only reset for a week and then straight back out. The whole run is a fallacy when it was simply a popular song that slowly dropped in popularity over time.
 
Devil said:
ACR I don’t mind in occasionally freshening the chart up, but it has so many downfalls. Olivia Rodrigo’s Driver’s License showed that - thanks to it hitting ACR, then the album pushing it to only her fourth most streamed, but increasing it enough to get it reset and then subsequently reentering the charts was nuts.

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That last random entry at #6 being because the album forced it to increase and be reset but it only then became her third most streamed two weeks later, so was only reset for a week and then straight back out. The whole run is a fallacy when it was simply a popular song that slowly dropped in popularity over time.
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As I've said before, ACR clears out blockages at the top of the chart, but then just creates them further down. They do allow other songs to climb and peak, but still block smaller songs from charting at all. I think once you hit ACR, there ought to be a sliding scale where the streams mean less and less - even possibly down to about 10%, or perhaps streaming not even counting at all.
 
lolly said:
I've seen someone on ukmix post that Mariah would probably be #1 already if it wasn't for ACR, but I'm not sure if that is confirmed. I assume it will be confirmed if it is true on Friday.
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You were right, Mariah and Wham both sold more than Taylor pre ACR this week.
 
I reckon we get Made You Look as number one this coming Friday, and then I suspect it stays there until Mariah or Wham take over the week after Christmas.
 
I think Raye is ahead of her and Taylor on Spotify and Apple Music, so I imagine it may be her.
 
Again the Ed Sheeran & Elton John track is the third highest Christmas song on the chart (excluding Stormzy, which I'm not inclined to call one), but the 16th highest on streaming only, behind Wizzard - which is #53 this week, so presumably a reasonably good indicator of where it would be if it was a level playing field.
 
Midweeks

#1 Mariah Carey
#2 Wham!
#6 Sheeran/John
#11 Brenda Lee
#13 Buble
#14 Shakin Stevens
#16 Pogues/MacColl
#18 Kelly Clarkson
#20 Band Aid
 
That's only the top 20 available so far. Last week we had 5 Christmas tracks in the top 20 in the first midweek, and a third of the top 100. I imagine they will be half the chart when we see the full update tomorrow.
 
Those must be some serious streams if she's number one despite the OCC streaming rules, right?
 
Also anything to keep Lewis Capaldi off number one will suit me fine.
 
Jingle Bell Funk said:
Those must be some serious streams if she's number one despite the OCC streaming rules, right?
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I don't think the competition is massively strong this week - Taylor Swift is #3, and her sales last week were the lowest for a #1 for 13 weeks. But yes, relatively Mariah and Wham must be doing well.
 
lolly said:
That's only the top 20 available so far. Last week we had 5 Christmas tracks in the top 20 in the first midweek, and a third of the top 100. I imagine they will be half the chart when we see the full update tomorrow.
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And sure enough 51of the top 100 is Christmas songs - a couple more if you include Stormzy and the new 3 Lions.
 
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