The Traitors (UK) S03E06

My underrated highlight of that episode was Fran fully knifing Dan in the round table, then getting all self righteous with everyone for voting him out. :D
 
Sheena said:
I’m getting annoyed with the obvious production decisions. No way they all just happened to get up and leave the library at JUST THE RIGHT TIME.
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They had the whole evening... it wasn't filmed over a 1 minute period.
 
Sheena said:
Isn’t this just making it really obvious they’re all faithfuls? There’s no way you’d put yourself up for this as a traitor.
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Absolute winning move 3 out of 4 times if you're a Traitor...
 
That was a brilliant episode - just annoyed that Fozia is in the final 2. Hope she survives over Leon obviously, but we all know that is never the way of these games.

(Having said that, they've built up the Linda and Fozia drama nicely, so maybe we do get to see that play out more next week).
 
cwej said:
Interesting that all 4 of those people are from ethnic minority backgrounds... does that say something about our psychological unconscious biases when it comes to trust?
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I mean, it doesn't help that three of the four were a bit shit and were lucky to even last as long as they did.
 
ButterTart said:
I mean, it doesn't help that three of the four were a bit shit and were lucky to even last as long as they did.
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Which is the EXACT response people say every time there is a pattern with minority groups that happens over and over... they say 'well yeah BUT... those ones WERE like that'...

Same happened when women repeatedly got voted out first in Big Brother for TWENTY SEASONS and people said it's not sexist.. 'But THAT girl WAS really annoying'... like there's never been an annoying man in the world.

Anyway, it's only a small sample, but just interesting to see.
 
cwej said:
Which is the EXACT response people say every time there is a pattern with minority groups that happens over and over... they say 'well yeah BUT... those ones WERE like that'...

Same happened when women repeatedly got voted out first in Big Brother for TWENTY SEASONS and people said it's not sexist.. 'But THAT girl WAS really annoying'... like there's never been an annoying man in the world.

Anyway, it's only a small sample, but just interesting to see.
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I don't think the two are really comparable - true, the Big Brother boots were massively problematic but also the fault of the general public and completely underscore your point; Ash, Alyssa and Armani being booted early was entirely their own doing for being shit at the game - Ash and Armani in particular, I don't think I've seen a single person say anything other than that they were crap traitors.
 
ButterTart said:
I don't think the two are really comparable - true, the Big Brother boots were massively problematic but also the fault of the general public and completely underscore your point; Ash, Alyssa and Armani being booted early was entirely their own doing for being shit at the game - Ash and Armani in particular, I don't think I've seen a single person say anything other than that they were crap traitors.
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I mean you just KEEP proving the point.

The whole point is that we're completely unconscious of doing it as human beings.We underestimate people of ethnic minorities, we underestimate women, we underestimate people of lower socio-economic backgrounds... So the fact that 'I don't think I've seen a single person say anything other than that they were crap traitors' only proves the point further.

Also: I agree with @Penelope , Ash wasn't that bad a Traitor - she was just turned on incredibly quickly by other (incidentally white, male, straight) Traitors (in a year that ended up murdering almost exclusively women once the men were in power, so almost certainly not a coincidence either).
 
There's surely no doubt that Alyssa and Ash were absolutely the correct choice for first boot out of their respective traitor groups, or that they were the weakest of them BY A MILE. As @ZenGiraffe said, it was Armani's own sister who stuck the knife in on her banishment and, as for Miles, he was banished because they worked out the whole poisoned chalice thing and he looked guilty as sin. I don't disagree with your point at all, I just think applying it to the weakest traitors in a game about voting off traitors really works.
 
ButterTart said:
There's surely no doubt that Alyssa and Ash were absolutely the correct choice for first boot out of their respective traitor groups, or that they were the weakest of them BY A MILE. As @ZenGiraffe said, it was Armani's own sister who stuck the knife in on her banishment and, as for Miles, he was banished because they worked out the whole poisoned chalice thing and he looked guilty as sin. I don't disagree with your point at all, I just think applying it to the weakest traitors in a game about voting off traitors really works.
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The whole point is they are being compared to LINDA who is possibly the worst we've ever seen. And as a white woman the group are instinctively less suspicious of her, despite us all thinking she's doing a terrible job from an outsider perspective with the knowledge that she is a Traitor.


It was really just a throwaway comment because I noticed that those 4 all had that in common, and it's hardly a big psychological study. I just thought it was an interesting pattern.
 
cwej said:
The whole point is they are being compared to LINDA who is possibly the worst we've ever seen. And as a white woman the group are instinctively less suspicious of her, despite us all thinking she's doing a terrible job from an outsider perspective with the knowledge that she is a Traitor.


It was really just a throwaway comment because I noticed that those 4 all had that in common, and it's hardly a big psychological study. I just thought it was an interesting pattern.
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If I'm honest, the thing I've found most troubling is the way Asian male contestants have been treated. Imran, Jas and Kasim all had a rough run and were either banished based on nothing or constantly in the line of fire. That's never sat well with me.

I totally agree Linda should have gone first, but Armani's own sister sticking the boot in basically sealed her fate (and Linda just gives far more to the show).
 
The thing with Kas is that actually at that stage of the game "the producers would probably pick someone with a trustworthy job to be a traitor" is totally sound logic but it led to a very uncomfortable group dynamic.
 
GNL said:
The thing with Kas is that actually at that stage of the game "the producers would probably pick someone with a trustworthy job to be a traitor" is totally sound logic but it led to a very uncomfortable group dynamic.
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The fact that he actively said he was being excluded wasn't pleasant at all.
 
ButterTart said:
If I'm honest, the thing I've found most troubling is the way Asian male contestants have been treated. Imran, Jas and Kasim all had a rough run and were either banished based on nothing or constantly in the line of fire. That's never sat well with me.
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Agreed.

As usual, reality TV holds a really interesting mirror up to ourselves - though of course most people would just pooh-pooh it and say it's 'just reality tv'.
 
cwej said:
They had the whole evening... it wasn't filmed over a 1 minute period.
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Yes, dear, thanks for cwejsplaining how television works. I wasn’t sure. :D

#CWEJBOOKOFPRODUCTIONSTATS
 
It wasn’t clear to mewhy she murdered other than being annoying. She was useless otherwise.
 
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