The United Kingdom: The Liz Truss CRASHING THE PORK MARKET WEEKS 🐷🐖📉📅🥬 (1 Viewer)

They don't stand a chance of getting it through, or remotely surviving getting it through if they were able to muster up the support of a majority behind a whole package. It'd be poll tax territory. Any formal attempt at cutting health or welfare from where it is now to try and fund tax cuts to the richest would genuinely probably get some Tory MPs killed.

Yeah I feel like they’re really low on options now. They can’t Boris back in, they can’t choose ANOTHER unelected PM, and they can’t do any of the cuts that Cameron and May did. There’s no stomach for any of it.

The downside is that, as I said above, the only thing they have left it to stand by her. And stand by her hard.
 
Tory backbenchers after voting in Truss and then seeing their seat turn to red after just 4 weeks


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I just can’t imagine how the Tory party conference plays out. Other than they absolutely and positively double down, and give her a ten minute standing ovation just for standing there. No doubt the Fail are strategising right now how to position her as the second coming of Christ.

I feel queasy.
I imagine the Daily Mail is going to be applying the brakes pretty fast on overt enthusiasm for her, if they have any interest in keeping sales figures at their current level, given how many of their readers probably don't like her on her current ratings. And as for the Tory conference - well, just enjoy it as spectacle really. Iain Duncan Smith got 17 standing ovations at his last conference and was gone by the end of the month.

I reckon things come to a crunch for her around November time. She's essentially now where Theresa May was when she was trying those desperate last attempts at a third or fourth vote on her Brexit deal. But the thing is: if you believe too much to retreat, there aren't the votes for any viable package that comes close to the £47bn in spending cuts - equivalent to Osborne's first austerity budget in 2010 - needed to match the tax cuts (they *might* be able to get 320 MPs to back cutting foreign aid in half to about £6bn. that's only a 'might', and that's only £6bn. good luck w booking those cuts you speak of.), and an election immediately massacres your own party - well, what options are left?
 
I just can’t imagine how the Tory party conference plays out. Other than they absolutely and positively double down, and give her a ten minute standing ovation just for standing there. No doubt the Fail are strategising right now how to position her as the second coming of Christ.

I feel queasy.
We're already getting Tory sycophants tweeting that the pound is recovering, cheerfully omitting the part where the Bank of England had to step in to rescue it. I'm expecting outright misinformation as the strategy over the next few days.
 
Yeah I feel like they’re really low on options now. They can’t Boris back in, they can’t choose ANOTHER unelected PM, and they can’t do any of the cuts that Cameron and May did. There’s no stomach for any of it.

The downside is that, as I said above, the only thing they have left it to stand by her. And stand by her hard.
Welll, if the markets are going batshit every day she continues to stay in the role, I imagine they'd rather take their chances on another unelected PM that also stands a chance of doing a bit better with the public too. Rishi Sunak, incidentally, is happy to not say anything at all, given he said everything he needed to say right at the end of the leadership contest and probably has a majority of MPs who'd support him after essentially being proven completely right.
 
We're already getting Tory sycophants tweeting that the pound is recovering, cheerfully omitting the part where the Bank of England had to step in to rescue it. I'm expecting outright misinformation as the strategy over the next few days.
And? Literally who cares. The entire point of figures like the ones in that YouGov poll is that they've spent a week in self-inflicted financial turmoil either off grid or yelling at the public and the markets that they don't understand when they do, and they've now just reached the point where they're a joke to them. They're not going to take much they say seriously from this point, and they're not disposed to think kindly of them or give them a quick second chance in this incarnation anyway. (Some might if/as/when a new leader comes, but that'll also likely be with economic conditions shit enough that most will probably think the country could do with a proper change at this point regardless anyway.)

Enjoy the spectacle. It's rare to see the moment the cogs start turning in the heads of the sociopathic sweaty brow rent-a-gobs, and they suddenly realise that absolutely everyone can't stand them and what they're arguing for anymore. And usually won't again for quite some time once this sort of point has been breached.
 
I was talking to a relative earlier, she’s an activist for Labour and a member I think, anyway it just made me realise that this is Kier’s time. It’s now or never. I still think a lot of people are picking him as an alternative rather than being invested in him. But if he plays it right, and captures the right tone, he can fucking own Truss. Time for jokes is over. Leave that to Angela and Emily, they’re better at it anyway. The country is angry and scared and he needs to be really angry and very reassuring. The country needs a statesman right now. Or at least, that’s what finally gets him over the line. Over that line that goes from up and down polling to bulletproof polling. Where it’s an inevitable 1997 lead in, not a two year gap for Truss to pull it back.

She’s wounded - kill her off.
 
I was talking to a relative earlier, she’s an activist for Labour and a member I think, anyway it just made me realise that this is Kier’s time. It’s now or never. I still think a lot of people are picking him as an alternative rather than being invested in him. But if he plays it right, and captures the right tone, he can fucking own Truss. Time for jokes is over. Leave that to Angela and Emily, they’re better at it anyway. The country is angry and scared and he needs to be really angry and very reassuring. The country needs a statesman right now. Or at least, that’s what finally gets him over the line. Over that line that goes from up and down polling to bulletproof polling. Where it’s an inevitable 1997 lead in, not a two year gap for Truss to pull it back.

She’s wounded - kill her off.
They had similar polling starting and continuing about two years before May 1997

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He's in a really sweet spot with tone at this point (and obviously is absolutely kerbstomping Truss's deeply unpopular position at this point). The key thing for where things are now is that Labour is 50-50 with the Tories on winning Leave voters. Those that noticed anything from conference won't have hated what they saw at all. Big Union flag backdrop? Party all singing the national anthem? Renationalising the railways? Setting up a national renewable energy company so the UK can get cheaper energy and become a wind energy superpower? Seems pretty good to their eyes, especially compared to the current lot in charge. Why not, go on then. Feels like it's time for a change.
 
The scariest thing is Boris’ prediction that he’ll be PM again in the New Year doesn’t seem quite as absurd as it did a month ago.
You know what, even in the event of him successfully during this chaos managing to persuade enough MPs who were convinced enough to tear him by his fingernails out of Number 10 in the end that he's changed and wouldn't make all the same mistakes he did before? (I'm not seeing it.) Well done Boris. Aren't you so clever. Look, you made it back. Cool. The majority of the country still thinks you're a cunt and you're set to lose in a landslide.
 
He's in a really sweet spot with tone at this point (and obviously is absolutely kerbstomping Truss's deeply unpopular position at this point). The key thing for where things are now is that Labour is 50-50 with the Tories on winning Leave voters. Those that noticed anything from conference won't have hated what they saw at all. Big Union flag backdrop? Party all singing the national anthem? Renationalising the railways? Setting up a national renewable energy company so the UK can get cheaper energy and become a wind energy superpower? Seems pretty good to their eyes, especially compared to the current lot in charge. Why not, go on then. Feels like it's time for a change.
A lot of these policies are very clever because they appeal to the traditional british voter but also sit nicely with the younger generations, nationslided green energy makes ME want to sing rule fucking Britannia .
 
Boris might regain a few percentage points, but his fan base has shrunk dramatically, he'll come with baggage known by everyone. Swapping PM AGAIN feeds into the narrative that the Tories are an unstable mess. While Kier holds onto power of a reasonably supportive party. The optics won't improve dramatically for the Tories and Kier seems to making progress in his public profile.
 
Cutting the state pension was an idea she used to tout in her Lib Dem days ( :D ) that is being resurfaced now.

Even by her exceptionally low standards I doubt she’d be dumb enough to push for that now.
 
Fair enough. I come to Moopy first these days and hadn't checked the actual news.
 

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