UK: The Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson years - problematic + infected + broke the law + electoral poison + sneks + not very good + OVER (funny) (2 Viewers)

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Well his problem is he is DULL and they are in a better position than 2019. He's started the detoxification process now they just need someone charismatic and diplomatic to take over.
Wait, what - like of the Tony Blair school? It all sounds very familiar. Sorry but that ship has sailed and times has changed.

Angela Rayner may be divisive but I believe she can step up to the role.
 
Greens not that much of a thread in reality. In southern marginal seats say Gloucester where labour need to win again she is POISON. You can be passionate without insulting potential voters
Labour have made the mistake of being complacent with people they assumed were always going to vote for them, and now they have one Scottish MP and have lost the red wall. You're seeing the start of the Green rise in the polls already, and if Labour stays where it is or drifts any further right, they'll be in even worse trouble in a few electoral cycles.

Fundamentally Labour needs to come to terms with the fact it can't be all things to all people, and formulate a long term plan accordingly.
 
Wait, what - like of the Tony Blair school? It all sounds very familiar. Sorry but that ship has sailed and times has changed.

Angela Rayner may be divisive but I believe she can step up to the role.
Not necessarily. Look she’s good at what she does, she appeals to the party faithful well but she’s toxic to southern middle England surely?! I mean she was the only senior Labour MP who campaigned in N Shropshire and look how that went down.
 
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Labour have made the mistake of being complacent with people they assumed were always going to vote for them, and now they have one Scottish MP and have lost the red wall. You're seeing the start of the Green rise in the polls already, and if Labour stays where it is or drifts any further right, they'll be in trouble in a few electoral cycles.

Fundamentally Labour needs to come to terms with the fact it can't be all things to all people, and formulate a long term plan accordingly.
I’m not saying they need to move further to the right just that SHE is the wrong person. She’s got too much baggage
 
I don't know why Starmer being dull is a problem. We've had a decade of chaos and theatrics, a grown-up in charge would be a nice change of pace.

Also, as much as I like Rayner, I wouldn't want her to lead the party. I vote Lisa Nandy.
 
I’m not saying they need to move further to the right just that SHE is the wrong person. She’s got too much baggage

OK, but who then? Time is of the essence here. Better to work with who and what we've got is what I'm saying.
However, I do strongly believe it should be a woman. And no it's not just because I read Dominic Cummings' blog posts :eyes:


I don't know why Starmer being dull is a problem. We've had a decade of chaos and theatrics, a grown-up in charge would be a nice change of pace.

Also, as much as I like Rayner, I wouldn't want her to lead the party. I vote Lisa Nandy.
I like her.
 
Erm... have you all looked at the polls lately? Labour are in the lead.

Yes Starmer has been underwhelming, but a change of leadership right now would be absolute madness.
They are but it's mostly through Boris' own self destructive implosion. Starmer has helped with this, don't get me wrong, but a strong leader for Labour and a formidable opposition to the Tory machinery he is not. Not in my opinion.
 
Starmer is still one awkward photo with a bacon sandwich away from oblivion. Labour's bounce is entirely the Tories' collapse. This would be the ideal time to punt Starmer to the nation as the strong, quiet type - Biden to Johnson's Trump, a calm, steady hand to have at the wheel.
 
Starmer is still one awkward photo with a bacon sandwich away from oblivion. Labour's bounce is entirely the Tories' collapse. This would be the ideal time to punt Starmer to the nation as the strong, quiet type - Biden to Johnson's Trump, a calm, steady hand to have at the wheel.
In fairness, I think this is his strength - he doesn't rant and rave, which shows Johnson up by comparison. A lot of people on Twitter seem to dislike him BECAUSE he doesn't descend into histrionics during PMQs, which just seems bloody stupid to me.
 
I don't know why Starmer being dull is a problem. We've had a decade of chaos and theatrics, a grown-up in charge would be a nice change of pace.

Also, as much as I like Rayner, I wouldn't want her to lead the party. I vote Lisa Nandy.
Starmer being DULL isn't the problem. he doesn't fucking STAND FOR ANYTHING. pure centrist terf-endorsing nonsense.

he will be replaced (hopefully pre-election) and never heard from again. he's a nobody.

I'd be happy with Rayner, Nandy or ED AGAIN.
 
Starmer being DULL isn't the problem. he doesn't fucking STAND FOR ANYTHING. pure centrist terf-endorsing nonsense.

he will be replaced (hopefully pre-election) and never heard from again. he's a nobody.

I'd be happy with Rayner, Nandy or ED AGAIN.
This was my problem with Corbyn, to be fair. He had ideas, but was conspicuously silent on anything that actually mattered in the moment; I didn't trust him to be the opposition I wanted against Brexit when that was what was sorely needed in 2019. I feel like Starmer has been consistent on Covid, I just wish he'd call out the bullshit spewed by the Tories rather than just let it slide.
 
Are people seriously saying Ed fucking Miliband is the answer? Jesus christ :D

I have my doubts about Starmer, but if you're going to say someone's SHIT then the least you can do is recommend a replacement that isn't a PROVEN FAILURE!
 
Are people seriously saying Ed fucking Miliband is the answer? Jesus christ :D

I have my doubts about Starmer, but if you're going to say someone's SHIT then the least you can do is recommend a replacement that isn't a PROVEN FAILURE!
Not now, but I stand by that he should have remained leader after the election as a reminder of "This is what you could have had" as the Torys imploded. He'd have walked the Theresa May election.
 
This annoys me that whoever it is left a space after entering a persons first name to the address book so it shows as double spaced between first name and surname.

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Proper wound me up this morning, the Boomer energy in these messages is overpowering.
 
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I urge everyone to take some time and read up what "Radical supply side reform" - Brexit was always about eroding rights, environmental protections and regulations so that a handful of people could get rich, and this fucking proves it.
 
Just reading up on Marcus Fysh. Irredeemably awful. Let's hope that's one of the many south west seats that will go the way of North Shropshire when the time comes.
 
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I urge everyone to take some time and read up what "Radical supply side reform" - Brexit was always about eroding rights, environmental protections and regulations so that a handful of people could get rich, and this fucking proves it.
Yeah, I had to look that up. That should be the headline; by their own admission Brexit was about making everything worse so the rich could profit.
 
That wing of the party's never made it any great secret that the main reason they wanted Brexit was to do deregulation and make the UK 'Singapore-on-Thames'! It goes back to the first speech Thatcher took issue with the European project - "we haven't rolled back the frontiers of the state here in Britain to see them reimposed at the European level"...
 
@Liz Truss to become Brexit secretary alongside Foreign. Assume this means Brexit is being dissolved into the Foreign Secretary's role which kind of makes sense really.
Well yes and also to be honest that role is not something anyone could SUCCEED in so it knocks out a leadership rival
 
Brexit secretary is a famously thankless job, and she's being shaped up as Boris' main competition so maybe there's a tactical element too?
this theory seems to attribute too much strategic intelligence to BoJo, but if it results in ANYONE BUT LIZ TRUSS for PM then I'm in!
 
Judging by Liz Truss' tank photoshoots and general Thatcher-aping, we can surely expect her to be wearing THIS sometime soon:

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I just don't get it. It feels akin to putting Kerry Katona or Joey Essex in the cabinet.
 

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