Your Party (now actually called that) DEAD...tired - The Jeremy Corbyn Years (feat. Zarah Sultana)

It just smacks of "see what Reform's done, WE CAN DO THAT!" and Labour have left the door right open for it.

The ultra-left still see Jeremy Corbyn as their saviour and won't move away from that, despite the fact that that ship has sailed, burned and died a death, and the only way I see this ending is further fragmentation of the left/centre-left and Farage's path to power becoming more glaringly obvious by the day.

What the answer is to that, I'm not clever enough to know, I concede.
 
Sheena said:
It just smacks of "see what Reform's done, WE CAN DO THAT!" and Labour have left the door right open for it.

The ultra-left still see Jeremy Corbyn as their saviour and won't move away from that, despite the fact that that ship has sailed, burned and died a death, and the only way I see this ending is further fragmentation of the left/centre-left and Farage's path to power becoming more glaringly obvious by the day.

What the answer is to that, I'm not clever enough to know, I concede.
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A firmer left wing coalition, but I suspect that ship has also sailed. Once there was a time when the main parties were a collective of often quite disparate groups, but it seems dissent is no longer tolerable in the world of divisive politics. We're heading towards an era where there are multiple mini interest groups in Parliament. I mean there already are, but it will get worse.

But yes Corbyn is over. GET OVER IT.
 
Starmer's decision that Labour would be a centre-right party is the cause of this. Suspending MPs for voting against things the party said they wouldn't do is ludicrous and this is an inevitable result of having an impressive mandate and doing nothing for the people with it. There is no left-wing party in the mainstream right now, we need one. The Greens are heading in that direction but it wasn't that long ago that the terfs tried to take control of them and came close to succeeding so let's see how that pans out before we all start slobbering over them.
 
I'm hedging my bets but leaning Green at the moment.
 
God, imagine having a political party you could champion without having to stick your fingers in your ears or holding your nose again.
 
Keeping an eye on the Greens as I do, I think de-terfing them was pretty easy.
 
Sheena said:
Well, QUITE, but I meant something that would work in the world as it is right now, cause it AIN'T CHANGING ANY TIME SOON.
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Electoral pacts, so that the anti-reform option is explicit and clear, and agreed on by all parties (who then pass Proportional Representation once they win)

Labour won't go along with it unless they realised they were properly fucked otherwise, lib Dems just about might. SNP wouldn't do it in Scotland either
 
ZenGiraffe said:
Electoral pacts, so that the anti-reform option is explicit and clear, and agreed on by all parties (who then pass Proportional Representation once they win)

Labour won't go along with it unless they realised they were properly fucked otherwise, lib Dems just about might. SNP wouldn't do it in Scotland either
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Again, I can't see it happening for the reasons you've just outlined.

I repeat, this just all feels like handing victory to Reform on a silver platter right now.
 
Sheena said:
Again, I can't see it happening for the reasons you've just outlined.

I repeat, this just all feels like handing victory to Reform on a silver platter right now.
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Tories and Reform/UKIP (god knows what they were called at the time) managed it, so it is at least vaguely plausible.

But we're essentially going to have to hope that voters can tactical vote themselves to a hung parliament
 
I think Sultana is pretty great, and as much as Jeremy Corbyn has BAGGAGE, I do think he's a principled politicians in as far as that's POSSIBLE.

Whatever the outcome of this (and I agree this is definitely going to be a ROLLERCOASTER), if the government feel pressure from the left to keep their voters AND their MPs, the hope is this moves the Overton window somewhat in the right (err, left) direction.
 
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Love to see everyone kicking one of very very few hopes for the restoration of sanity to death before they've even started.
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I agree with the party in principle, but they've botched the launch (arguably TWICE) and Westminster is a political system that doesn't suit forming yet another party.

Corbyn should have thrown in with the Greens and tried to bring other decent left wing names with him.

Diane Abbott, Green MP :disco::disco:
 
GNL said:
I think Sultana is pretty great, and as much as Jeremy Corbyn has BAGGAGE, I do think he's a principled politicians in as far as that's POSSIBLE.

Whatever the outcome of this (and I agree this is definitely going to be a ROLLERCOASTER), if the government feel pressure from the left to keep their voters AND their MPs, the hope is this moves the Overton window somewhat in the right (err, left) direction.
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Yeah I think thats likely. Much as Reform have caused a lurch right lets hope this new party and a left wing eco-populist Greens forces Labour to stop pandering to Tories.
 
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Jeremy Corbyn really hates this country. Not satisfied with giving us Boris Johnson as PM he now wants to hand it to Farage on a silver platter.

And yes I agree he’s a principled politician and can be a great political commentator to keep the left in check. But his idealism blinds his ability to see the bigger picture. Which includes the fact that he’s just not a good party leader either as a prospective PM (never going to happen) or even as a shadow leader.
 
Lucille said:
I think Labour are handing Farage the win actually.
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How does that track?

You can’t say Labour is moving to the right, and Labour is pushing people to Farage in the same breath.

Unless you mean Labour are just being a bit shit, which I agree with. But the last thing you do when a sitting government is vulnerable is create a splinter group that splits the base of the party, unless you want to help the opposition.

Labour is not completely blameless here. But Corbyn is the one standing on its neck instead of giving it CPR.
 
funky said:
How does that track?

You can’t say Labour is moving to the right, and Labour is pushing people to Farage in the same breath.

Unless you mean Labour are just being a bit shit, which I agree with. But the last thing you do when a sitting government is vulnerable is create a splinter group that splits the base of the party, unless you want to help the opposition.

Labour is not completely blameless here. But Corbyn is the one standing on its neck instead of giving it CPR.
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Labour moving right and pushing people to Farage aren't mutually exclusive I would say. Labour have completely ceded to the Reform position, so why wouldn't people just go for the real thing?
 
I was looking for a poll that showed who people were planning to vote for by their vote at the last election, but have been totally distracted by THIS NONSENSE

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The 5th most popular politician in the UK right now is JOHN MAJOR!!!???

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funky said:
You can’t say Labour is moving to the right, and Labour is pushing people to Farage in the same breath.
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You can. Labour are moving to the right to try and take some of Farage's territory. The effect is that they legitimise his bullshit which, in turn, pushes people towards him.
 
I think it's very possible that both things are true - Labour are shitting the bed, and also Jeremy Corbyn is and always was a terrible party leader. I fell for the wave of optimism too circa 2015, but what did he actually do successfully, other than become an avatar for a large number of people who desperately wanted him to be a lot more effective than he actually was? That's not nothing, but it didn't work then and I struggle to see how it's supposed to work a decade on when he's pushing into his 80s.
 
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I was looking for a poll that showed who people were planning to vote for by their vote at the last election, but have been totally distracted by THIS NONSENSE

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The 5th most popular politician in the UK right now is JOHN MAJOR!!!???

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Laura Trott?!
 
ZenGiraffe said:
I was looking for a poll that showed who people were planning to vote for by their vote at the last election
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I have it for Scotland at least now:



Reform up 15 points, Labour down 16 points, and in the tables:

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12% of people who voted for Labour in 2024 have moved to Reform.
 
that 12% are likely to be former Scottish Tories as well right?

Everyone voting reform is concerned about one thing, and unfortunately that movement now exists on the left and the right
 
funky said:
that 12% are likely to be former Scottish Tories as well right?

Everyone voting reform is concerned about one thing, and unfortunately that movement now exists on the left and the right
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There will definitely be a proportion of that yeah
 
VoR said:
I think it's very possible that both things are true - Labour are shitting the bed, and also Jeremy Corbyn is and always was a terrible party leader. I fell for the wave of optimism too circa 2015, but what did he actually do successfully, other than become an avatar for a large number of people who desperately wanted him to be a lot more effective than he actually was? That's not nothing, but it didn't work then and I struggle to see how it's supposed to work a decade on when he's pushing into his 80s.
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I came here to say more or less the same thing. It is both.

Corbyn is completely polarising- the far left idolise him to a point they can’t see beyond him, the right, from centre to far, won’t go anywhere near him and see him as dangerous. I agree that’s nonsense, but it won’t get him or the party associated with him elected.

But yes, I can’t quite understand the point funky is making when Labour seem to be doing all they can to move to the centre/ right and to court the Reform vote. Which is also utterly pointless.

FARAGE 4 PM here we come. I said it some time ago and it feels increasingly more inevitable.

What a fucking shitshow this country has become.
 
My point is that people are moving to reform in spite of Labour moving to the right, not because of it, which is essentially what you’re saying too.

In today’s climate, the left need to find a unifying reason to distract from immigration in order to remain popular. It is much easier to do in the run up to an election when people want change (Starmer) or are united by a common enemy (Carney). Doing it while in power is another story. Granted, being less shit is a big part of that as they’ve lost a load of momentum and good faith. But moving to the right pisses off the core left not the masses, and those people are not shifting their vote to Farage. That’s my point.
 
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