A Monday Came Travelling

The festive bail-out has begun in here. Barely a bugger in the place. Net result: busy.
 
You Butter Watch Out said:
:disco: We should definitely hold a MoopMeet there.

“No Mr Tartine, you’re not getting your deposit back. Someone drilled holes into all of the cubicle walls and the cellar was filled with dead hostages.”
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The only solution is to distract Suomi by having the DJ play nothing other than a slightly foxed cassingle of 'Wolves of the Sea'.
 
Have we seen the new advice re sick leave and sick/fit notes?

www.gov.uk

Taking sick leave

Fit notes (formerly sick notes), holiday during sick leave, returning to work, long-term sick, dismissals
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
 
I wish I could just have a (less than 2 hour) Skype call with my parents without someone problematic happening.

Mum was saying she liked the Strictly gays but dad hated them and mum called him an old homophobe (I didn’t think he was like that but ugh) he was asleep at the time and I brought Strictly up again when he woke up to see if he’d say anything but he didn’t. Anyway I guess that’s a rare point for mum.

Only then she was defending Boris because he’s had a really tough job and blah blah and these sorts of decisions have to be approved by a lot of people otherwise it’s just like Hitler (and I’m not paraphrasing, it did get to Hitler that quickly)

At least she doesn’t seem to have come down with Xmas Mum Madness and seems reluctant to have people over - though they will. I gave her the STD campaign slogan of “when you sleep with someone you’re sleeping with everyone they’ve slept with”, in the context that I know they are careful, and for the most part so are the people coming, but what about the people they hang around with etc.

Anyway I’m exhausted and I need to edit this moopy karaoke video
 
lolly said:
Have we seen the new advice re sick leave and sick/fit notes?

www.gov.uk

Taking sick leave

Fit notes (formerly sick notes), holiday during sick leave, returning to work, long-term sick, dismissals
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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Hmmm. I mean, sensible as it lightens the GP workload but also unlike the Tories to want to do that.
 
santaphone said:
Hmmm. I mean, sensible as it lightens the GP workload but also unlike the Tories to want to do that.
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Worst thing to happen for small businesses though. Prior to this you could only swing a week's sick before having to have a GP agree that you were unfit for work. Now there'll be a shitload of 3 weeks and 4 days off and the employer can't do a thing about it or even claim back the SSP any more.
 
Floppet Christmas Carol said:
Worst thing to happen for small businesses though. Prior to this you could only swing a week's sick before having to have a GP agree that you were unfit for work. Now there'll be a shitload of 3 weeks and 4 days off and the employer can't do a thing about it or even claim back the SSP any more.
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Oh! So it screws small businesses? THAT explains why the Tories did it. I knew there'd be something.
 
ARE WE DOING A XMAS ZOOM MOOPMEET?

Looks like I'll be spending most of my two weeks at home! And that excess alcohol won't drink itself.

Help a brother out, mopsy
 
Moopy I need advice.

One of the girls we've employed, was taken on to work until October. Her contract ended 31st. She's still with us because it's been busy but we haven't as yet renewed her contract because we had no idea what hours we could offer and didn't want to commit to something we couldn't provide.
Mandy also didn't want to give her a zero hour contract cos she thinks they're shitty.

So we've been giving this girl 20 ish hours a week.

Her 18 yr old stepson who she lives with has just tested positive for covid and altho she is vaccinated, none of the staff want to risk working with her this close to Christmas.

So, we've suggested she stays off work which she's happy to do.

But do we need to pay her sick pay, even tho she's not sick, should we pay her normal hours as we've asked her to stay home, although technically she's not contracted to any hours. Or shall we suggest she can make up the hours next month so she doesn't lose out?
 
Welcome to the world of employing people. I don't know exactly what the rules would be in this situation, but personally, I would just pay her for the next week based on what she earns, on average. Its Christmas, she has kids, bills to pay etc. Imagine how hard it would be to know you've just lost your income the week before Christmas?
 
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I'm not actually certain on this, but I think where a fixed term contract like this isn't formally renewed then the employment continues on the same basis as under the contract, with the main difference that either party could end the contract without notice at any time. Isolating after having been a contact with someone who has Covid does count as a sickness, so you would probably have to pay either SSP, if she's entitled to it, or whatever other arrangement the contract has for sick pay. Unless, as ron says, you want to be nice/can afford to be nice and pay her the normal wage.
 
Rachey said:
Moopy I need advice.

One of the girls we've employed, was taken on to work until October. Her contract ended 31st. She's still with us because it's been busy but we haven't as yet renewed her contract because we had no idea what hours we could offer and didn't want to commit to something we couldn't provide.
Mandy also didn't want to give her a zero hour contract cos she thinks they're shitty.

So we've been giving this girl 20 ish hours a week.

Her 18 yr old stepson who she lives with has just tested positive for covid and altho she is vaccinated, none of the staff want to risk working with her this close to Christmas.

So, we've suggested she stays off work which she's happy to do.

But do we need to pay her sick pay, even tho she's not sick, should we pay her normal hours as we've asked her to stay home, although technically she's not contracted to any hours. Or shall we suggest she can make up the hours next month so she doesn't lose out?
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For all employment question needs try https://www.acas.org.uk/
 
big rondeer said:
Welcome to the world of employing people. I don't know exactly what the rules would be in this situation, but personally, I would just pay her for the next week based on what she earns, on average. Its Christmas, she has kids, bills to pay etc. Imagine how hard it would be to know you've just lost your income the week before Christmas?
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That's what we're thinking. But at the same time we're also worrying about the business losing money at an already difficult time.
 
dmlawst christmas said:
I'm not actually certain on this, but I think where a fixed term contract like this isn't formally renewed then the employment continues on the same basis as under the contract, with the main difference that either party could end the contract without notice at any time. Isolating after having been a contact with someone who has Covid does count as a sickness, so you would probably have to pay either SSP, if she's entitled to it, or whatever other arrangement the contract has for sick pay. Unless, as ron says, you want to be nice/can afford to be nice and pay her the normal wage.
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We're providing two weeks sick pay, she's already had 2 days, so I guess in that case we just pay her sick pay?
 
Rachey said:
We're providing two weeks sick pay, she's already had 2 days, so I guess in that case we just pay her sick pay?
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You give your staff 2 weeks sick pay per year? :o That's good! I've lost 4 weeks wages this year because of covid.

Although using up her sick days might rub her up the wrong way if you've asked her to take the time off?
 
Star said:
You give your staff 2 weeks sick pay per year? :o That's good! I've lost 4 weeks wages this year because of covid.

Although using up her sick days might rub her up the wrong way if you've asked her to take the time off?
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Is it not normal to give sick pay to staff :o

It's either sick pay or no pay. I can't be too generous, I do have a business to run. But yeah I do get what you mean. I'm so conflicted!
 
Royal Mail just delivered a parcel to me. Just there, just now. That's...not normal for them. Don't get me wrong, appreciated but also, odd.
 
Rachey said:
Is it not normal to give sick pay to staff :o

It's either sick pay or no pay. I can't be too generous, I do have a business to run. But yeah I do get what you mean. I'm so conflicted!
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No I think its normal, my bosses are the exception :bad: I suppose sick pay is the better of the two options. It's worth getting some sort of covid clause written into your contracts, we had the same issued with work and nursery last year.
 
Star said:
No I think its normal, my bosses are the exception :bad: I suppose sick pay is the better of the two options. It's worth getting some sort of covid clause written into your contracts, we had the same issued with work and nursery last year.
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It always surprises me when people don't get sick pay. I just assumed it was standard.
Yeah I think we may need to look at changing the contracts. We've agreed to pay her sick pay if she wants it. And then when she runs out if she's sick again, it'll be unpaid.
I feel bad asking her to take it as sick, but also feel bad not paying her, but have to think about the business as well.
 
Star said:
Absolutely, and we've learnt covid isn't going away, so I think it's better just to be clear about where you stand if they have time off because of it.
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So when you were off did you just get statutory sick pay?
 
Rachey said:
So when you were off did you just get statutory sick pay?
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I did for when I had it, because I got the sick note thing online. When the kids had it I just had unpaid leave, obviously I had to be off to look after them which I get isn't works fault. I think I probably would be annoyed though if I caught it at work, and then didn't get paid!
 
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