ManicKangaroo
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Better than false optimism
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I don’t think the information itself was pessimistic at all. It was all information from the ZOE app, which I am pretty sure is a reputable source BUT he did also express his feelings on the matter which is what most people didn’t seem to like. It’s difficult as I know people weren’t talking him down from a bad place, and were more worried about the fact that covid seemed to be taking a major impact on his mental health, especially when he was saying he didn’t want to be here anymore if things got worse again...
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I don’t know, I think I’d rather be overly optimistic than spend every day worrying.
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Its a fine balance. I want to be REALISTIC on the matter more than anything else.
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Yup, optimism with a healthy does of cynicism is far healthier than all out pessimism.
I think having a very pessimistic parent, makes me quite hopeful, diluted with cynicism.
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And actually is what he said coming true? No!
The numbers are going up, probably because of lateral flow home tests. But the increase is tiny and very very few hospitalisations. He had a terrible habit of reading stats one way, when actually stats can interpreted in many ways.
The numbers are going up, probably because of lateral flow home tests. But the increase is tiny and very very few hospitalisations. He had a terrible habit of reading stats one way, when actually stats can interpreted in many ways.
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Also we're out of full lockdown well over three weeks now. Where's the MASSIVE BREAKOUT?
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Do you mean the massive breakout that is happening now? Cases in Manchester are more than three times higher now that they were ten days ago. They're starting to go up in the same way in areas bordering Manchester. A rise in hospitalisations generally follows a rise in cases by 2-3 weeks, with a rise in deaths following another couple of weeks after that. It might not happen this time, because most of the severely vulnerable have been vaccinated, but it's by no means guaranteed. We've already lost the chance to stop the increase by locking down when the numbers were quite low, so if hospitalisations/deaths do go up again then we'll either be locked down into the autumn or looking at many thousands more deaths. I'm trying not to be pessimistic but way too much of the optimism at the moment strikes me as wilful blindness.
Cloud
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To be honest if you look back you'll probably find a mix of optimism, pessimism and balance - usually on the balanced or optimistic side but leaning to pessimism when all the news coming out of places like Reddit (who have a good handle on analysts etc) gets too much. The last time I posted in this thread I was in a very bad place mentally (suicidal thoughts etc) from a day of endless bad news and today to be honest is not much different after some of the stuff I've read. Best I stay out of it for now.
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it was Tuesday but it was off the back of a Bank Holiday when fewer deaths are registered
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Yes but after 2020 and all the fuck ups, our government have gone from being the most risk-taking country in the world, to one of the most risk-averse in 2021. They're now doing all the things they should have done when none of us were vaccinated... Now most of us are vaccinated they're being super-strict.
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It’s the same here. We’re now averaging under a 1000 cases a day and 70% vaccinated (1 shot) yet everything is still closed. They’re just refusing to move us into reopening until June 14 by which point only 5 people will be allowed to meet in a home. We’ve had the longest lockdown (since November)
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Simple politics and (I suspect) opinion polling. They've decided they don't want to do anything to threaten their sacred 21 June "let's drop everything" plan, and have thrown the travel industry under the bus to remove one possible threat to it.
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It's not looking good. PHE research confirms Delta has much higher transmissibility (suggested 50-60%), 2.5x risk of hospitalisation and some vaccine escape. The Warwick modelling said a 50% increase in transmission would increase hospital admissions would increase 14,000 or so in Jul/Aug. There is also evidence that it is predominantly being spread in schools just as mitigations have been lowered - though much of this data is being hidden by the government.
It's a terrible position to be in, and was entirely avoidable. I wouldn't be surprised if the government ultimately proceeds with the 21st June date under the misguided pretense that the vaccines are unbeatable. Sadly I think, eventually, we will see more unnecessary deaths.
And it's so frustrating that we are back in the position of weighing up our freedoms/the economy against preserving life.
TL/DR - These fucking fuckos are fucking it up again.
It's a terrible position to be in, and was entirely avoidable. I wouldn't be surprised if the government ultimately proceeds with the 21st June date under the misguided pretense that the vaccines are unbeatable. Sadly I think, eventually, we will see more unnecessary deaths.
And it's so frustrating that we are back in the position of weighing up our freedoms/the economy against preserving life.
TL/DR - These fucking fuckos are fucking it up again.
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Mother Superior
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I feel very uncomfortable leaving this comment unreplied.
@Cloud have you ever talked to someone professional about how you feel? I work for a mental health charity, albeit industry specific, and I know it can really help.
Perhaps you could reach out to Mind (assuming you're in the Uk)? There is some info here - https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/coronavirus/managing-feelings-about-lockdown-easing/
and they have a helpline and online community which you can find here, which may be a better place to air your worries than Moopy - https://www.mind.org.uk/information...ontacts/#SupportForMentalAndPhysicalWellbeing
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No idea but I've read somewhere that the pharmaceuticals in general are going to upgrade their vaccines late fall early winter which kind of makes me wonder if I should wait even more.
ZenGiraffe
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Is it true that the Pfizer vaccination provides fewer antibodies against the Indian variant or is that just blatant scaremongering?
Just means we'll need Pfizer boosters after three months, by the sounds of things
Cloud
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Thank you
I haven't talked with a professional but to be honest it's not an underlying thing (more a pandemic induced thing) and I'm not in any immediate danger. When I say "suicidal thoughts" it's tenuous compared to someone else who may use that phrase... I don't know if I'm exaggerating frankly, and certainly know that people go through MUCH worse much more severe thoughts like that which I'd not want to diminish - and normally wouldn't mention it to avoid doing so. I don't know if I'm just being a drama queen basically, which is offensive to people with real, serious mental health problems.
Like, it's not "I want to kill myself" per se but when I feel like this is never going to end (which is a lot lately) or is going to become borderline apocalyptic (I don't want to spread negativity but this recent stuff about Delta being around 70% more transmissible than Alpha AND a 2.5x hospitalisation risk for example has me worried, as when combined with the Warwick model that I'm praying is wrong, seems to suggest a hospitalisation wave staggeringly higher than the previous ones at current vaccination progress) and when it seems like every sign of light at the end of the tunnel turns out to be another oncoming freight train, I'm thinking "if this is life indefinitely with all the constant anxiety about the next variant of covid I don't think I want to live through it, and I wonder what I'd say to people if I decided to end it". So like, I don't know, "suicidal thoughts" as in "the thoughts I have are related to it as a future possibility if things got bad / went on indefinitely" but then I also think, surely others have those thoughts sometimes about what they'd do in a hopeless scenario. If we got nuked, for example, I'm sure most people would rather not live to tell the tale, but to call that a suicidal thought is probably stretching it a bit, like I might be already. It's jusut that the "waves" of hopelessness keep making these hypothetical thoughts look closer to reality and I'm failing to really dismiss them when they do.
What I did have yesterday after reading the recent updates was a short bout of anxiety with 'slight crying' (like, lump in throat and shedding a couple of tears not bawling) and needing to sleep for an hour or so to sort of wash it away. Then went out with a couple of mates (who until 2 weeks ago I'd not seen for 14 months, that was a nice day back then) and was basically fine, aside from that nagging thought at the back of the mind of "is this pretty much the last I'll see of them for another 14 months"
Inconsistency is partly because at the moment with the bombardment of analysis and predictive models I don't know who to believe any more, and partly yeah those waves of hopelessness
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I'm glad my previous post didn't appear just after this.Thank you
I haven't talked with a professional but to be honest it's not an underlying thing (more a pandemic induced thing) and I'm not in any immediate danger. When I say "suicidal thoughts" it's tenuous compared to someone else who may use that phrase... I don't know if I'm exaggerating frankly, and certainly know that people go through MUCH worse much more severe thoughts like that which I'd not want to diminish - and normally wouldn't mention it to avoid doing so. I don't know if I'm just being a drama queen basically, which is offensive to people with real, serious mental health problems.
Like, it's not "I want to kill myself" per se but when I feel like this is never going to end (which is a lot lately) or is going to become borderline apocalyptic (I don't want to spread negativity but this recent stuff about Delta being around 70% more transmissible than Alpha AND a 2.5x hospitalisation risk for example has me worried, as when combined with the Warwick model that I'm praying is wrong, seems to suggest a hospitalisation wave staggeringly higher than the previous ones at current vaccination progress) and when it seems like every sign of light at the end of the tunnel turns out to be another oncoming freight train, I'm thinking "if this is life indefinitely with all the constant anxiety about the next variant of covid I don't think I want to live through it, and I wonder what I'd say to people if I decided to end it". So like, I don't know, "suicidal thoughts" as in "the thoughts I have are related to it as a future possibility if things got bad / went on indefinitely" but then I also think, surely others have those thoughts sometimes about what they'd do in a hopeless scenario. If we got nuked, for example, I'm sure most people would rather not live to tell the tale, but to call that a suicidal thought is probably stretching it a bit, like I might be already. It's just that the "waves" of hopelessness keep making these hypothetical thoughts look closer to reality and I'm failing to really dismiss them when they do.
Love to you, Cloud, and always feel free to vent here if you need it.
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Thank you
I haven't talked with a professional but to be honest it's not an underlying thing (more a pandemic induced thing) and I'm not in any immediate danger. When I say "suicidal thoughts" it's tenuous compared to someone else who may use that phrase... I don't know if I'm exaggerating frankly, and certainly know that people go through MUCH worse much more severe thoughts like that which I'd not want to diminish - and normally wouldn't mention it to avoid doing so. I don't know if I'm just being a drama queen basically, which is offensive to people with real, serious mental health problems.
Like, it's not "I want to kill myself" per se but when I feel like this is never going to end (which is a lot lately) or is going to become borderline apocalyptic (I don't want to spread negativity but this recent stuff about Delta being around 70% more transmissible than Alpha AND a 2.5x hospitalisation risk for example has me worried, as when combined with the Warwick model that I'm praying is wrong, seems to suggest a hospitalisation wave staggeringly higher than the previous ones at current vaccination progress) and when it seems like every sign of light at the end of the tunnel turns out to be another oncoming freight train, I'm thinking "if this is life indefinitely with all the constant anxiety about the next variant of covid I don't think I want to live through it, and I wonder what I'd say to people if I decided to end it". So like, I don't know, "suicidal thoughts" as in "the thoughts I have are related to it as a future possibility if things got bad / went on indefinitely" but then I also think, surely others have those thoughts sometimes about what they'd do in a hopeless scenario. If we got nuked, for example, I'm sure most people would rather not live to tell the tale, but to call that a suicidal thought is probably stretching it a bit, like I might be already. It's just that the "waves" of hopelessness keep making these hypothetical thoughts look closer to reality and I'm failing to really dismiss them when they do.
*hugs*
Mother Superior
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I think it's important not to minimise your own struggle. Who is to say what is a 'serious' mental health challenge and what isn't? In your world, what you are going through is significant to you, and that's the important thing to acknowledge. If more people did that, rather than comparing their health with their perceived notions of unknown people's imaginary ones, then you would have a lot less people getting themselves into serious trouble.Thank you
I haven't talked with a professional but to be honest it's not an underlying thing (more a pandemic induced thing) and I'm not in any immediate danger. When I say "suicidal thoughts" it's tenuous compared to someone else who may use that phrase... I don't know if I'm exaggerating frankly, and certainly know that people go through MUCH worse much more severe thoughts like that which I'd not want to diminish - and normally wouldn't mention it to avoid doing so. I don't know if I'm just being a drama queen basically, which is offensive to people with real, serious mental health problems.
Like, it's not "I want to kill myself" per se but when I feel like this is never going to end (which is a lot lately) or is going to become borderline apocalyptic (I don't want to spread negativity but this recent stuff about Delta being around 70% more transmissible than Alpha AND a 2.5x hospitalisation risk for example has me worried, as when combined with the Warwick model that I'm praying is wrong, seems to suggest a hospitalisation wave staggeringly higher than the previous ones at current vaccination progress) and when it seems like every sign of light at the end of the tunnel turns out to be another oncoming freight train, I'm thinking "if this is life indefinitely with all the constant anxiety about the next variant of covid I don't think I want to live through it, and I wonder what I'd say to people if I decided to end it". So like, I don't know, "suicidal thoughts" as in "the thoughts I have are related to it as a future possibility if things got bad / went on indefinitely" but then I also think, surely others have those thoughts sometimes about what they'd do in a hopeless scenario. If we got nuked, for example, I'm sure most people would rather not live to tell the tale, but to call that a suicidal thought is probably stretching it a bit, like I might be already. It's jusut that the "waves" of hopelessness keep making these hypothetical thoughts look closer to reality and I'm failing to really dismiss them when they do.
What I did have yesterday after reading the recent updates was a short bout of anxiety with 'slight crying' (like, lump in throat and shedding a couple of tears not bawling) and needing to sleep for an hour or so to sort of wash it away. Then went out with a couple of mates (who until 2 weeks ago I'd not seen for 14 months, that was a nice day back then) and was basically fine, aside from that nagging thought at the back of the mind of "is this pretty much the last I'll see of them for another 14 months"
Inconsistency is partly because at the moment with the bombardment of analysis and predictive models I don't know who to believe any more, and partly yeah those waves of hopelessness
It's normal to be having a hard time right now, and many many people are, but that doesn't make your personal circumstances insignificant. Try and talk to someone, if only because it will give you something positive to hold onto, and to be able to say 'I'm taking back some control of this situation'
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I can't remember where I heard it, but reports of anxiety are said to be sky high right now. Although I'm pretty fucking happy right now, I am aware of an underlying sense of anxiety ready to fuck up my future. But I'm not basing my life around those fears. I guess that's my way of looking after myself through this part - catious optimism.
Also what @Mother Superior said. If you think that shit is getting on top of you, seek relevant help. Even if it's just a friend, although ideally a professional. We on the Internet don't always understand others, especially when it comes to mental health. I am guilty of that and have been on the receiving end of it.
Also what @Mother Superior said. If you think that shit is getting on top of you, seek relevant help. Even if it's just a friend, although ideally a professional. We on the Internet don't always understand others, especially when it comes to mental health. I am guilty of that and have been on the receiving end of it.
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AZ is even worse.Well that is not exactly IDEAL. I was shot with bloody Pfizer!
Cloud
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I don't know who to trust when it comes to all the scary modelling right now. But when it comes to vaccines, I always look to my favourite furry:
(need to visit the tweet to see the full thread)
What I take away from this is, get those second jabs, but don't panic. Just don't go thinking "I've had 1 jab so it's fine I can go around snogging 100 random strangers tonight and not be spreading anything"
(need to visit the tweet to see the full thread)
What I take away from this is, get those second jabs, but don't panic. Just don't go thinking "I've had 1 jab so it's fine I can go around snogging 100 random strangers tonight and not be spreading anything"
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Looking forward to the Kyrgyzstan variant or the St. Vincent and the Grenadines variants.
Every country needs one!
Every country needs one!
Cloud
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Scary times IMO. Knowing that cases are going to be allowed to go extreme (which they are rapidly going to do, the doubling time is shortening very quickly) as long as hospitals aren't overwhelmed, realistically we'll all be exposed to it soon and for those of us with only 1 jab, we'll probably catch it. As a 39 year old it's an awkward place - old enough that it might be fairly tough on me (probably not put me in hospital but will be a hard time and uncertain yet whether one jab prevents long covid) but young enough not to have had the proper protection of 2 jabs yet. I know that in all likelihood we'll end up avoiding pubs again and being very careful going out etc but if I want to keep my job then will have to keep going into the office. Thankfully the guy I work with is double jabbed but I'll definitely be offering to assist remotely rather than visiting desks once it gets to 1 in 100 or so.
The true acid test of everything will be when I catch it and come home to the parents. They're double jabbed, hopefully they'll be fine, but I'm really nervous about the "hopefully" part if I'm going to be around them shedding viral loads like there's no tomorrow.
Not trying to spread doom and gloom, just saying it how it appears to me. Bolton is a sign that HOPEFULLY any spike will be short lived and mostly among kids, but it's just too early to say.
The true acid test of everything will be when I catch it and come home to the parents. They're double jabbed, hopefully they'll be fine, but I'm really nervous about the "hopefully" part if I'm going to be around them shedding viral loads like there's no tomorrow.
Not trying to spread doom and gloom, just saying it how it appears to me. Bolton is a sign that HOPEFULLY any spike will be short lived and mostly among kids, but it's just too early to say.
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this is what happened in Sefton too, where I am. The outbreak was short.
you talk like you’re expecting the worst as an inevitability and that’s a sure fire sign of anxiety/OCD. The best thing you can do is stop reading about it.
Imagine if, every winter, you read up on all the stats about flu. How it spreads, the numbers, the likelihood of catching it, the symptoms, how you spread it, etc. You’d never go out. Being sensible and cautious is the best way to be but you also have to not let it control your life. Fighting anxiety with logic is not easy - I know. But you have to fight it. The most obvious response is to question how likely you are to suffer through mental health or stress related symptoms versus covid. Right now, the former is far more damaging to you. And, potentially, those around you.
look after yourself. Mind, not just body.