Liam Payne DEAD

It’s not just the thirst for public grief, it goes back to that conversation about fans thinking they own their idols because they dedicate so much time to them.

Nobody asked you to sit outside his house and raid through his bins, you freak.
 
funky said:
It’s not just the thirst for public grief, it goes back to that conversation about fans thinking they own their idols because they dedicate so much time to them.

Nobody asked you to sit outside his house and raid through his bins, you freak.
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And the means to interact with them and each other in seconds.

I had to dig out my mother's Basildon Bond, pop around to the post office for a stamp, and practice my best handwriting before sending a letter to the fan club in Sevenoaks when I wanted to ask Cheryl Baker what her favourite sandwich was.
 
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Now, is that true about his record label unless he was resigned? He flopped pretty hard and I thought he would have been dropped long before this week?
 
In general, a label will want to know what you plan to do next before dropping you. There's a few dropped artists who did demo sessions for a label and the label dropped them after hearing them; Pop Will Eat Itself were one, Julian Cope was another. Manic Street Preachers came within a hair of being dropped but Rob Stringer pulled rank and said he wanted to hear their demos; those demos included A Design For Life and they were retained. So it's possible that process had been happening and had reached a conclusion.

(NB -these are all 90s examples, things are different these days, that's understood)
 
Rita said:
Now, is that true about his record label unless he was resigned? He flopped pretty hard and I thought he would have been dropped long before this week?
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His album was delayed last week, if there's any connection there.

I'd imagine that'll get un-delayed pretty sharpish.
 
Rita said:
Now, is that true about his record label unless he was resigned? He flopped pretty hard and I thought he would have been dropped long before this week?
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it's quite normal for labels to keep artists in limbo for long periods without letting them go if they're mid-contract (ie. have put out 1 out of 3 contracted albums) but the label doesn't want to go to the expense of funding/releasing the next one. it probably took a long time for them to formally decide to let him go after his first album flopped.
 
cwej said:
This is the point I’m trying to make.

We all say ‘it’s the fame, it destroys them’… but I’m not sure that celebrities are more prone to this than non-celebrities. It’s just they don’t report the million of drug addicts who die every year.
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Less than 5,000 people a year die from drugs in the UK.
 
And statistically it's something crazy like you're 20x more likely to die if you're living in the most deprived areas of the country. And it's far more likely if you're over 40. So I do think there is a valid question regarding the level of fame/celebrity and age.
 
My cousin’s ex and father of her child died from a heroin overdose just a few years ago, but he was over 40. Still they lived in bloody Tunbridge Wells :o
 
lolly said:
And statistically it's something crazy like you're 20x more likely to die if you're living in the most deprived areas of the country. And it's far more likely if you're over 40. So I do think there is a valid question regarding the level of fame/celebrity and age.
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My house in Scotland is in a more privileged area than most beside Gleneagles Hotel and any time I have gone to the local pub the majority of younger people (18-40) are taking or looking for drugs. The school my kids went to has major issues with drugs, where kids are taking ket and other drugs. Surely that isn’t exclusive to there? I think we are in a major drug culture at the moment across the board whether that be celebrity or general member of the great unwashed.
 
That may be true. But you're far more likely to die a drug related death if you're over 40.

Or living in Scotland.
 
How are “drug deaths” generally measured? Is it anyone with drugs in their system when they die that is counted as a drug death? Just wondering as although Liam had taken drugs when he died it was the blow to the head that actually killed him. I understand that is likely not to have happened if he wasn’t intoxicated but not if it was suicide?
 
Rita said:
How are “drug deaths” generally measured? Is it anyone with drugs in their system when they die that is counted as a drug death? Just wondering as although Liam had taken drugs when he died it was the blow to the head that actually killed him. I understand that is likely not to have happened if he wasn’t intoxicated but not if it was suicide?
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It'll be a 'drug related death' (or at least it would be in the UK) if toxicology confirms it.
 
Actually I don't think that merely the presence in a toxicology report would be enough - but I'm fairly certain that if a coroner ruled accidental death or misadventure and the behaviour was judged due to substance use, it would be.
 
I imagine 'drug related death' is an umbrella term to cover different circumstances. A fatal overdose being quite different from dying from a chronic condition brought about by years of substance use, for example.
 
lolly said:
If they have unrealistic expectations, no doubt at least it's partly due to having smoke blown up their arse by labels when they are a cash cow, and then being as welcome as cold sick when they aren't.
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I'm not so sure about that. While there may be some yes-men, what I've mostly seen from Swedish managers is less about blowing smoke and more about telling artists, "If you want a stable career in the future, you'll have to work hard now."

Many aspiring artists have fairytale daydreams and have been told by friends and family how great they are, which can inflate their expectations long before they get any real recognition. A lot of them are quite sheltered and don't really understand what a consistent work routine or professional life looks like. When they finally do start gaining traction, they often don't know how to handle the demands. Many of these individuals would likely struggle to keep up with the pressures of a demanding 9-to-5 job as well. And it's not like a boss in that environment would force someone to see a psychologist either. It's usually something the employee has to request themselves or might get access to if they take sick leave...
 
HalamaK said:
Many aspiring artists have fairytale daydreams and have been told by friends and family how great they are, which can inflate their expectations long before they get any real recognition. A lot of them are quite sheltered and don't really understand what a consistent work routine or professional life looks like.
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Somewhere Malou Prytz's ears are burning.
 
Rita said:
My house in Scotland is in a more privileged area than most beside Gleneagles Hotel and any time I have gone to the local pub the majority of younger people (18-40) are taking or looking for drugs. The school my kids went to has major issues with drugs, where kids are taking ket and other drugs. Surely that isn’t exclusive to there? I think we are in a major drug culture at the moment across the board whether that be celebrity or general member of the great unwashed.
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recreational drug use seems to span all social classes and young/middle aged groups for sure. I suppose addiction is more likely to affect working class or underprivileged people. reasonably well paid young people hoofing coke on a weekend is not the same as the fast food shop worker taking it every shift to stay on their feet.
 
Out of curiosity I checked out the comments. This was #2

not like the reports weren’t true like he did some fucked up shite
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Humans gonna human.
 
Beautiful post by Cheryl, and I completely agree with everything she's said. When a celebrity dies, all respect for them and their family seems to go out the window.
 
This was a comment made on a post on Niall's official Instagram page.

I genuinely cannot get my head around how anyone can be so vile.
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