The Vinyl Resurgence

The husband has always been into old records and has a huge collection. He has several record players, gramophones and a lovely big 1960s radiogram, which is like a sideboard that plays records, radio AND cassettes! :D

I’ve grown to like it and have my own small collection of vinyl now but I really want to get some Sade. We find that modern records are often poorly made so they jump more, which is a shame.

I still buy CD albums mainly.
 
A tip? For real? You fish them out?

Nooo! Most tips have a shop, where stuff too good for the bins goes. Mine has hundreds of records. Often, it’s just granny records, but occasionally, someone will chuck a load in there which are good. It depends on how switched on the people who work there are- mine had been fairly slim pickings last year because they’d clocked on and we’re putting them aside to sell at a car boot. But then one day hundreds of decent records appeared- I asked the friendly lady I chat to and she said they’d not been making that much at the car boots so they’d given up and so we’re back in the shop at a quid apiece (The price stickers suggested they were way overpriced at the car boot).

It’s also not just mine- other local tips near me do similar things, admittedly with varying results. I’ve also picked up quite a lot of rare CDs I’ve managed to reflog- late 80s cd singles are a goldmine and I got a whole load for £3 which I sold for a fortune, including a £70 copy of Emma’s Eurovision classic “Give A Little Love Back To The World” :D
 
The husband has always been into old records and has a huge collection. He has several record players, gramophones and a lovely big 1960s radiogram, which is like a sideboard that plays records, radio AND cassettes! :D

I’ve grown to like it and have my own small collection of vinyl now but I really want to get some Sade. We find that modern records are often poorly made so they jump more, which is a shame.

I still buy CD albums mainly.

Modern records were made on thinner vinyl in the 80s, hence the issues. But a really good record player solves that problem often- I rarely have anything jump.

Also, if you’re serious, invest in a Spin Clean record cleaner- about £70-£80ish on Amazon and worth every penny. Sorts out even the filthiest and most rubbish of records. Nice potential birthday present right there...
 
Oh and also car boots. Often full of idiots trying to get £5 for a shit Richard Clayderman album, but occasionally with “oh anything for a quid” style people you can pick up some real gems.
 
Oh and I own all the first three Sade albums on vinyl and from memory, I paid £2 for Diamond Life and a quid each for the other two.
 
Nooo! Most tips have a shop, where stuff too good for the bins goes. Mine has hundreds of records. Often, it’s just granny records, but occasionally, someone will chuck a load in there which are good. It depends on how switched on the people who work there are- mine had been fairly slim pickings last year because they’d clocked on and we’re putting them aside to sell at a car boot. But then one day hundreds of decent records appeared- I asked the friendly lady I chat to and she said they’d not been making that much at the car boots so they’d given up and so we’re back in the shop at a quid apiece (The price stickers suggested they were way overpriced at the car boot).

It’s also not just mine- other local tips near me do similar things, admittedly with varying results. I’ve also picked up quite a lot of rare CDs I’ve managed to reflog- late 80s cd singles are a goldmine and I got a whole load for £3 which I sold for a fortune, including a £70 copy of Emma’s Eurovision classic “Give A Little Love Back To The World” :D

I SAW that Emma record on your shop on Discogs as I have it on my Wishlist but was I FUCK paying £70 for it! :D
 
I SAW that Emma record on your shop on Discogs as I have it on my Wishlist but was I FUCK paying £70 for it! :D

Someone did. I had loads of loons messaging me trying to get it stupidly. One even had a go at me saying it was outrageous and I should be ashamed charging that much and that I’d never sell it. :D
 
Someone did. I had loads of loons messaging me trying to get it stupidly. One even had a go at me saying it was outrageous and I should be ashamed charging that much and that I’d never sell it. :D

Yes there are crazy loons out there who will pay a fortune for stuff. Admittedly, I've paid that for official Eurovision programmes from the 80s, but they at least have a bit more collectors value than a CD single.
 
Yes there are crazy loons out there who will pay a fortune for stuff. Admittedly, I've paid that for official Eurovision programmes from the 80s, but they at least have a bit more collectors value than a CD single.

Er, I’m not entirely sure how THAT works...:D
 
Er, I’m not entirely sure how THAT works...:D

Well at least with an official programme of say 150 pages with photos, bios of the artists, lyrics, interviews etc is a bit more USEFUL than a CD single which has a cheapy one-sided insert. Maybe it's just me thinking books are better to look at than CDs, I dunno...
 
I need to get my vinyl habit under control - honestly I'm just spending far too much money. I'm not just buying new stuff but also re-buying older stuff that I have on CD. Please God.
 
I need to get my vinyl habit under control - honestly I'm just spending far too much money. I'm not just buying new stuff but also re-buying older stuff that I have on CD. Please God.

I said I would never rebuy stuff...but do it all the time now.
 
I said I would never rebuy stuff...but do it all the time now.

I can vaguely justify it when it's a new release and it comes with the download card / mp3s with Amazon (even though I'm a paid up Spotify subscriber)...

But when it's stuff that I'd already bought fairly cheaply years ago on CD from Fopp or CDWow or whatever AND I still have the CDs AND I've got all the mp3s ripped AND backed up, and yet here I am now I'm spending double or TRIPLE what I originally paid on the respective vinyls..??! :manson:


First world problem (corona era) I know but still.
 
I buy very little vinyl now - it needs to be a really nice item of itself like the Stereolab triple LP reissues or that Nurse With Wound box from last year. It's a space thing really. Plus so much of what I want now isn't available on any format other than digital and, if there is a physical, it's a fucking cassette or a lathe-cut record that costs £40. Such is the state of the underground (dude).
 
Anyone got any HOT TIPS for displaying vinyl covers on the wall? I've seen a few options online but not sure what to go for...
 
Article in The Guardian yesterday

Back on track: UK vinyl sales heading for best year in three decades


UK sales of vinyl records are set to reach a three-decade high as fans unable to attend live music events during the pandemic channel their spare cash into building up their record collections.

Vinyl sales are up almost 10% this year, well on track to break the £100m mark by the end of 2020, making for the best year since 1990 when Sinead O’Connor and New Kids on the Block topped the charts. Sales by volume are also set to beat last year’s 4.3m.

It marks a remarkable bounce back given the market for physical music, from vinyl and CDs to cassettes and DVDs, plunged by almost half in April as the first lockdown shut high streets across the nation.

“We have seen 250% growth from the bottom of lockdown to where we are now,” said Drew Hill, managing director of Proper Music, the UK’s biggest independent distributor of vinyl and CDs. “I thought it could be catastrophic for the industry but during lockdown the kind of people buying records also probably went to a lot of gigs. They can’t do that so it seems fans are spending the money they used to on going to gigs each month on records.” Last week, Kylie Minogue wound back the years as Disco topped the vinyl album chart.

The pandemic has also fuelled the ongoing revival of cassettes, with sales up 85% so far this year, putting total sales on course to top £1m for the first time since renewed interest wound back the years for the format.

However, the picture is much less rosy for CDs, already facing inexorable decline at the hands of the streaming revolution, with sales down 30% in the year to date, according to the Entertainment Retailers Association (ERA). If that trend continues in the final weeks of this year CD sales will reach about £150m, the worst year since 1987.

“From the beginning of lockdown to now, CDs have actually made a remarkable recovery,” says Hill, who points out that weekly sales have tripled since the nadir in April. “I don’t know if I’d say it looked like the death of the CD in April, but sales have made a remarkable recovery from the levels we saw then. If the CD was in [terminal] freefall [because of the pandemic] I wouldn’t have expected to see that sort of bounce back.”
 
I noted that one of the "bundles" for the James/Happy Mondays tour included a CD of the new James album but with no vinyl option. I wonder how many people will just go, sure why not? for the sake of a tenner which won't feel like much if you're buying 4 tickets at £50 each plus the usual fees. It's a creative way of selling CDs, especially given that they have an audience that will also cough up for nicely done vinyl and deluxe editions with extra tracks.
 
Music Week

New figures released by the BPI have revealed that sales of vinyl LPs and audio cassettes surged ahead in 2020.

Released ahead of the overall BPI figures for 2020 on January 4, the latest sales data on vinyl and cassettes shows how fans turned to physical formats during the Covid-19 pandemic.

According to the Official Charts Company data supplied by the BPI, 4.8 million LPs were purchased in the UK over the past 12 months, a year-on-year increase of almost 10% and a 13th consecutive year of growth since 2007. Despite the many challenges for retail during the pandemic, the performance in 2020 was stronger than 2019, when vinyl sales were up 4.1% year-on-year.

Vinyl LPs now account for nearly one in five of all albums purchased (18%) and are at their highest level since the early ’90s. Vinyl generates almost twice as much in industry revenues as music video streaming platforms such as YouTube, noted the BPI.

While streaming now accounts for around 80% of UK music consumption, the immediacy of the digital format is increasingly complemented by the collection of physical editions by fans.

Among the titles expected to be announced as the year’s best-sellers by the Official Charts Company are classic LPs such as Rumours by Fleetwood Mac, Amy Winehouse’s Back To Black and Nirvana’s Nevermind. Oasis’ (What’s The Story) Morning Glory? is set to be the second biggest seller on vinyl in 2020, following a successful 25th anniversary reissue campaign.

Alongside the perennial classics on the format, new studio albums have also performed well on vinyl this year, including Harry Styles’ Fine Line (the biggest new vinyl release of the past year with 22,368 sales), Kylie Minogue’s Disco, AC/DC’s Power Up, Ultra Mono by Idles and the new live album from Arctic Monkeys.

Vinyl LP sales initially dipped during the first lockdown but by September they began showing positive year-to-date growth for the first time. Campaigns such as Love Record Stores, Tim Burgess’ Twitter Listening Party, Record Store Day (over three dates), The Record Club and National Album Day (in October) helped to rally fans in support of indie record shops, specialist chains and the artist community.

Though still only a fraction of overall recorded music, cassettes now come as standard on many album releases. It is projected that around 157,000 tapes will have been purchased in the past 12 months – double the total of the year before and the highest amount since 2003, when 243,000 tapes were sold and Now 54 was the year’s biggest seller on the format. This would mark an eighth year of consecutive growth for the format, which is finding a new market thanks to its retro, collectable appeal.

Among the most popular titles released on cassette in 2020 were Lady Gaga’s Chromatica, 5 Seconds Of Summer’s Calm, Yungblud’s Weird! and The 1975’s Notes On A Conditional Form.

Geoff Taylor, chief executive BPI, BRIT Awards & Mercury Prize, said: “In a year when all our lives have changed, music’s power to inspire has never been more evident. The immediacy and convenience of streaming make it the go-to audio format for most of our listening, but more and more fans choose to get closer to their favourite artists and albums on vinyl.

“It’s remarkable that LP and audio tape sales should have risen at all given the challenges we’ve all faced. The surge in sales despite retail closures demonstrates the timeless appeal of collectable physical formats alongside the seamless connectivity of streaming.”
 
Predicted best-selling vinyl albums for 2020 (based on Official Charts Company data)

1. Fleetwood Mac – Rumours
2. Oasis – (What’s The Story) Morning Glory?
3. Amy Winehouse – Back To Black
4. Nirvana – Nevermind
5. Harry Styles – Fine Line
6. Kylie Minogue – Disco
7. AC/DC – Power Up
8. Queen – Greatest Hits
9. Idles – Ultra Mono
10. Arctic Monkeys – Live At The Royal Albert Hall

Predicted best-selling cassette albums for 2020 (based on Official Charts Company data)

1. Lady Gaga Chromatica
2. 5 Seconds Of Summer – Calm
3. Yungblud – Weird!
4. The 1975 – Notes On A Conditional Form
5. Blackpink – The Album
6. Selena Gomez – Rare
7. Kylie Minogue – Disco
8. Dua Lipa – Future Nostalgia
9. Haim – Women In Music Pt III
10. The Streets – None Of Us Are Getting Out Of This Life Alive
 
It’s because of the price point and where they’re sold. Rumours is always cheap in sales and is always in Sainsbury’s eternal 10 vinyls all stores stock.
 
I'd feel happier if the vinyl chart wasn't dominated by old albums or loon fan purchases.

It’s because of the price point and where they’re sold. Rumours is always cheap in sales and is always in Sainsbury’s eternal 10 vinyls all stores stock.

Mind you, it isn't THAT much different in the top albums of the year overall. Lewis Capaldi the top seller on 454k, the only album to sell platinum this year. So no album released this year has gone platinum, Dua Lipa on 259k being the closest (Harry Styles on 289k).

And only 13 of the top 40 are albums released this year.
 
That's more of a streaming thing: people playing the same 3 or 4 songs from an album over and over again on their daily jog for several months until they decide to change it up.
 
I wonder how many of those cassettes get played?

It's a nonsense, isn't it? If 5% of them get played I'd be surprised. And the numbers are so small in any case, I still roll my eyes whenever I see a 'biggest year since' or '200% increase' type story. Utterly meaningless. And do any cassettes (for these big name acts, at least) get sold to anyone who isn't buying and playing it on one other format or streaming it?
 
It's a nonsense, isn't it? If 5% of them get played I'd be surprised. And the numbers are so small in any case, I still roll my eyes whenever I see a 'biggest year since' or '200% increase' type story. Utterly meaningless. And do any cassettes (for these big name acts, at least) get sold to anyone who isn't buying and playing it on one other format or streaming it?

I think I've told this story before but I haven't had a working cassette player for several years, a situation that has now been resolved. So I saw an album I wanted on Bandcamp; digital and cassette. The digital was £8 plus VAT which made £9.60. The cassette was £5 no added VAT (because that VAT on physical sales isn't Bandcamp's responsibility) and £1 for p&p - a total of £6. The cassette came with a free instant WAV/FLAC download. So I bought a cassette I will never play and saved money.

Daft.
 
Music Week

Can vinyl production keep up with growing demand?​

by Andre Paine
November 11th 2021 at 7:05AM

Vinyl sales dipped in the third quarter after a period of strong growth.

As revealed in Music Week’s exclusive Q3 analysis, vinyl LP purchases were down by 1.1% year-on-year in Q3.

It comes amid growing concerns about global vinyl capacity and the long lead times required of labels, particularly in the independent sector.

In the US, it was reported that production on Adele’s comeback album 30 ran to 500,000 units as Sony Music aimed to get stores fully stocked for the gifting period. With a particularly busy Q4, also including albums from Coldplay, ABBA and Ed Sheeran, that has further impacted the available capacity.

“Vinyl manufacturing is an issue for the entire global market,” Derek Allen, Warner Music’s SVP commercial, told Music Week. “Capacity has struggled for some time now to keep up with the unprecedented and sustained demand. The issue has been exacerbated by several enormous, internationally successful artists - Ed Sheeran, Adele, Coldplay, ABBA - all releasing albums within weeks of each other and all with the potential for some serious vinyl sales.

“What you have is a significant percentage of the manufacturing capacity being hoovered up by some massively high-profile projects.”

With the majority of plants based in Europe, the delays and costs associated with Brexit have also impacted the vinyl market.

A new launch in the UK by Press-On-Vinyl could offer some boost in capacity. But many labels are struggling to secure slots for vinyl and are forced to stagger digital and physical releases.

The supply issues have also had an inflationary impact on the format. Music retailers have reported price increases on certain titles, including classic catalogue and some new releases, particularly from Warner and Universal.

The new, two-disc album from The War On Drugs, I Don’t Live Here Anymore (Atlantic), retails at £40 (or £45 for coloured vinyl).

“Capacity pressure and the steep increase in the price of raw materials, allied with significant distribution cost increases born out of lorry driver shortages, higher wages, staff shortages and Brexit are all adversely impacting unit costs,” said Allen. “This unfortunately affects the entire market and is very much out of our control.”

Despite the dip in Q3, the vinyl sales of 1,121,608 were still above a million for the fifth quarter in a row. The decline is partly explained by a strong Q3 12 months ago when sales increased by 41.4% on the prior year.

In Q3 2021, Billie Eilish was a big seller on wax and Record Store Day boosted the market in July. The vinyl decline compared to a steeper quarterly fall of 15.5% for CD (2,891,470) and an 11.5% decline for physical overall (4,065,782).

Entertainment Retailers Association CEO Kim Bayley is monitoring the inflationary pressure on vinyl.

"There’s no evidence that once people have tried vinyl they will be tempted to go back to CD," she told Music Week. "The pricing issue is a tough one. Retailers are on the frontline and are always conscious that consumers tend to hold them responsible for price hikes. But in a market affected by scarcity of supply, it’s no surprise prices are rising.

"Vinyl is clearly more of a luxury buy than it was in the past and whilst I do not think we should be overly concerned, we do need to ensure vinyl prices remain attractive particularly to younger audiences who often have less disposable income."

Despite the challenges for global production, execs remain hopeful about future the UK's vinyl market growth.

“The quarterly result feels like a blip and nothing that would suggest that the vinyl’s renaissance is coming to an end,” said Derek Allen.

After music fans invested in turntables during the pandemic, Charles Wood, Sony Music’s SVP, market planning & media, is also confident about the growth of the format.

“Like most anomalies over the past year – it really comes down to pandemic impact,” he told Music Week. “Year-on year-comparisons with 2020 were always going to have some blips. Q3 this year people were making a return to the workplace and so had less time at home to appreciate vinyl releases. We are confident that the strong physical release schedule this Q4 will continue the incredible momentum of the format.”

Encouragingly, vinyl LP sales are up 21.2% for the year to date (3,473,960), compared to a 10.8% decline for CD (8,878,111) so far in 2021 and a 3.5% drop in physical overall (12,494,880).

But if the LP is going to replace CD as the physical format of choice - and it may already have done so based on value - the industry will need to be confident about the long-term supply of vinyl.
 

Vinyl turns tables as UK sales take highest market share since 1990​

BPI estimates more than 5m vinyl albums already sold in 2021, the 14th consecutive year of growth

For many people, placing a record on the turntable will always be the quintessential musical experience.

Sliding a shiny black disc out of a gatefold sleeve and dust jacket, laying it on the turntable platter, then the unmistakable crackle and the low, almost imperceptible analogue rumble as the needle slides into the groove.

Before the digital revolution, vinyl was the premier choice for listening to music. But the format’s resurgence in popularity over the past few years shows no signs of letting up, with new figures predicted to show sales growing to their highest level in more than three decades.

According to the British Phonographic Industry (BPI), more than 5m vinyl albums have been bought in the UK over the past 12 months, up 8% on sales in 2020 and the 14th consecutive year of growth since 2007.

By the end of the year, vinyl will have accounted for almost one in four album purchases – the highest proportion since 1990 – according to BPI estimates.

But why? There are tactile, sensuous and theatrical qualities to vinyl that made it a unique format, said Andy Kerr, the director of product marketing and communications for Bowers & Wilkins, a British audiophile speaker maker.

Popular streaming services used digital file compression to lower internet bandwidth that “tend to make the sound tinny”, Kerr said. “Vinyl is the opposite of that. It tends to make the sound lush and warm.”

But Kerr said he did not think the renewed interest in vinyl was being led by audiophiles. “I do think a huge amount of what’s going on with vinyl is not about the sound at all, it’s about the theatre of it, it’s the experience of it,” he said.

“The LP record forces you into that [experience], you don’t tend to skip every 30 seconds because you don’t like the way that the song is going, you tend to listen to it all the way through.”

Tom Fisher, record buyer at Rat Records, a secondhand record dealer in Camberwell, south London, said lockdowns had led to “frustrated demand for music as a cultural thing”.

“If you can’t go and see a band you might buy an album or T-shirt, [that satisfies you] in a way that digital doesn’t fulfil,” he said.

Emphasising that his comments related to the secondhand trade in LPs, Fisher said: “The only thing I would say about the renewed interest in vinyl is that it is not really very good for creative music and art, because the interest in vinyl is retro.”

A running joke in Rat Records was that it could never get enough copies of Rumours by Fleetwood Mac, The Wall by Pink Floyd or Born in the USA by Bruce Springsteen, all culturally mainstream products of a similar era. People were not interested in records made before about 1968 because they lacked a production quality that conveyed well on modern speakers and headphones, Fisher added.

“I find it quite hard to understand why people are so interested in vinyl and when they are so interested in these cultural monoliths, like Rumours, when they could go and listen to some piece of underground hip-hop or something from some other part of the world that was never available before,” said Fisher.

Ultimately, vinyl’s newfound success would eat itself, Fisher suggested. “If everybody wants records and they all want the same records then it can’t be really that cool and the vanguard are going to move on,” he said.

Geoff Taylor, the chief executive of the BPI, Brit awards and Mercury prize, said: “It’s a great time to be a music fan, with wider choice on offer than ever before supported by great value.

“Thanks to record label investment into new music and talent, fans can purchase and collect the music they most love on vinyl, CD and even cassette, whilst also enjoying access to over 70m songs to stream instantly whenever and how often they want, in turn enabling a new generation of artists to create music and sustain successful careers in a global market.”

The BPI will report its final music consumption figures on 4 January 2022.

Predicted bestselling vinyl albums for 2021

1 ABBA Voyage
2 Adele 30
3 Fleetwood Mac Rumours
4 Ed Sheeran =
5 Amy Winehouse Back to Black

Predicted bestselling cassette albums for 2021

1 Olivia Rodrigo Sour
2 Dave We’re All Alone in This Together
3 Lana Del Rey Chemtrails Over the Country Club
4 Queen Greatest Hits
5 Coldplay Music of the Spheres
(Based on year to date Official Charts data)

Damien Gayle for The Guardian
 

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