US Election Week Results 2020

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So the only way someone like Bernie will be able to win them over would have to be to the right on social issues.

I don't think so, as long as they were not perceived to be banging on about it I think progressive social values is fine. Especially if you do have to talk about it you can find a way to spin it as getting government out of your life. "It is not for the government to say who can or cannot get married, have an abortion etc."
 
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OMG this is where our Bev sticks her no drag knowledge mouth in.

To be fair to @COB's original post, the question of non-voters IS actually quite important. Data suggests that the people most likely to not vote are immigrants, the working class, POC; and they are people who actually happen to be sympathetic to progressive policies and ideas (the data suggest). Reaching out to those people has proven to yield results, as Ilhan Omar's primary showed. And yet, this election has fixated on getting Trump out, in appealing to white folk, often at the expense of others. But Trump, as we all know, is the symbol and symptom of American democratic rot, not its cause. So, sure, Biden got the biggest vote share ever or whatever, but this is politics. Persuading people is the name of the game. So what happens afterwards, when the bogeyman isn't in office? What will the democrats do, what platform will they rely on to stay in power?

It has been framed in some outlets as a two stage process. Stage one - how do we get out of immediate peril? Answer - remove Trump. Stage two - how do we get out of the overall mess that we're in with ridiculous, archaic voting systems that are no longer fit for purpose, a two-horse race that discourages real engagement, the obscenely gerrymandered geographical make-up etc? Answer - well, here's where there's no agreed direction. The danger is that no-one really gets to Stage 2 because a wider plan become impossible to achieve and implement due to the overwhelming vested interests involved.

My experience thus far is that people do recognise that the removal of Trump isn't the removal of his dogma - indeed, I have no doubt that, for many of those who have publicly backed him, he's done his job (especially re: Supreme Court) and can now be discarded: the same will happen to Boris Johnson, probably within the next 6 months.
 
Looks like Georgia could still save the Senate too! :disco:

And it’s even better because Georgia only made the stupid runoff rules in order to maintain republican control.
 
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It has been framed in some outlets as a two stage process. Stage one - how do we get out of immediate peril? Answer - remove Trump. Stage two - how do we get out of the overall mess that we're in with ridiculous, archaic voting systems that are no longer fit for purpose, a two-horse race that discourages real engagement, the obscenely gerrymandered geographical make-up etc? Answer - well, here's where there's no agreed direction. The danger is that no-one really gets to Stage 2 because a wider plan become impossible to achieve and implement due to the overwhelming vested interests involved.

My experience thus far is that people do recognise that the removal of Trump isn't the removal of his dogma - indeed, I have no doubt that, for many of those who have publicly backed him, he's done his job (especially re: Supreme Court) and can now be discarded: the same will happen to Boris Johnson, probably within the next 6 months.

I do worry that Stage 2 might not happen, that Biden is viewed by many as the only course correction necessary. Certainly it feels a lot of the centrist sentiment on the forum seems to offer very little on how stage 2 can realistically be achieved.
 
Key times for updates per CNN

11am - Georgia (4pm UK)
12pm - Nevada (8pm UK)
7pm - Arizona (not sure if this was their local time or EST)
 
Do we think Kamala will be able to beat Tucker Carlson? Trumpism ain't going away girls, even if Ms Donald loses.
Yes, I don't think we will see another full Trump straight away. A more traditional Republican will maybe borrow elements of Trumpism for the next election and get defeated, and then after that we will see Tuckerism.

This is my long term prediction and I look forward to it aging badly.
 
Hopefully Carlson and Trump both run in the Republican primary, splitting the deplorable vote.
 
400,000+ votes outstanding in PA, all or most are early/mail in votes in Philadelphia area. Biden is 164,000 ish behind. It's still very much up in the air.
 
400,000+ votes outstanding in PA, all or most are early/mail in votes in Philadelphia area. Biden is 164,000 ish behind. It's still very much up in the air.

bloody hell at that rate he’s surely going to take it isn’t he?
 
bloody hell at that rate he’s surely going to take it isn’t he?
The Democratic senator from PA speaking on CNN seems fairly confident anyway... he said there will be another batch of votes uploaded around noon (5pm uk) so we will have a better idea in a few hours.
 
Interesting what they are discussing on CNN about a potential runoff election in Georgia in January to determine Democratic control of the Senate.
 
Only 61k votes left to count in Georgia and Trump still leads by 18,000. Even though most of the remaining votes are in Democratic areas, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump holds the state by the skin of his teeth. I worry Arizona will go the same way. :(
 
Only 61k votes left to count in Georgia and Trump still leads by 18,000. Even though most of the remaining votes are in Democratic areas, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump holds the state by the skin of his teeth. I worry Arizona will go the same way. :(
If it's within 0.5% (right?) they can demand a recount. and if it's sub-1k gap they def should.
 

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