Veganism is a protected philosophical belief

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dmlaw said:
Dogs can be vegetarian, but you have to be very careful what you feed them and would probably need to plan their diet with a vet. Cats are obligate carnivores which means that it will damage their health if they don't have meat.
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I wouldn't dream of putting my cat on a vegetarian diet. It's just cruel.
 
dmlaw said:
Dogs can be vegetarian, but you have to be very careful what you feed them and would probably need to plan their diet with a vet. Cats are obligate carnivores which means that it will damage their health if they don't have meat.
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Veganism is a plan by cats to wipe us out and become the dominant species no doubt. We should eat cats.
 
Plant based milks are great and I do prefer them to cow's milk nowadays but I do still like my Greek yogurt and none of the soya based stuff quite hits the spot for me.
 
Bristol is supposedly hyped as the best place in the world to be a vegan in terms of eating out. I'd be surprised if it was true, but there do seem to be a plethora to choose from.
 
Oat milk is my favourite. I genuinely prefer it to cow (and definitely all the other plant based ones which are varying degrees of tasteless to horrid).

Has anyone tried Aldi's own label oat milk? It's less than half the price of Oatly, and I'm suspicious.
 
lolly said:
If ever I give up meat, I think that instead of relying on meat substitutes, I'll eat cat biscuits instead.
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Apparently seitan is terribly salty and eats away at the liver and lung so I expect cat biscuits are a much healthier alternative. In any case I say NO to seitan as I like to keep trim (and tan) with a low fat, low calorie, low interest diet - no salty, greasy foods for me, thanks! - and I went to the gym SIXTY THREE TIMES today :disco:
 
lolly said:
Oat milk is my favourite. I genuinely prefer it to cow (and definitely all the other plant based ones which are varying degrees of tasteless to horrid).
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Oh yes I love an oat milk LATTE :disco:

Oatley is the best brand (and get he BARISTA version) - it's FABULOUS.
 
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When you think about it, it is rather weird that we are the only species who drink the milk of another animal, meant for its offspring.

I am maybe 80% vegan now and I don’t buy cow’s milk anymore. Cheese and chocolate are the things which usually tempt me over, plus milk is an ingredient in so many things.

Then there’s the alcohol issue. Where do you begin there?
 
is something in this thread the reason why for a second day in a row i'm hearing conversations about cannibalism?

the world is so seriously fucked up if so.
 
It's always so predictable when new vegan options come out, watching all the gammons going absolutely nuts about it as if they're FORCED AT GUNPOINT to go a) walk into Greggs and b) have the veggie steak slice rather than the real one. Bonus points for complaining about terminology... how dare you call it steak if it's not made out of meat :D

In my mind regarding the ethical aspect I "sort of care" or at least "get it" (a vegan would say otherwise) but can't find it in me to "feel too much" in that regard - the universe is, let's face it, a cruel place by nature and everything is hungry. Lucky us managing to cheat our way to the top of the food chain as well as having the privilege to be able to eat a plant based diet with the necessary B12 supplements etc - which perhaps we'll all do by the time we're space communists exploring strange new worlds, seeking out new life forms and not eating them. That'd be nice.
Right now I'm like... I'll do everything to avoid befriending pigs or chickens and try not to think about it. I've seen how angry and depressed it can make people and honestly would rather keep a 'cruel' (fairly natural) streak than go the same way.

Sheena said:
In other news, I am going to try to switch to natural soya yogurt for my breakfast, rather than the dairy version. I’ll never be full vegan but I’m quite liking chipping away at the odd thing where possible...
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This is pretty much my approach as someone eating a lot less meat mostly for environmental reasons (whilst also having some of the ethical stuff in the back of my mind somewhere heavily suppressed). I LOVE that there are more and more of these little veganuary fads and additional menu items as I quite like trying them and picking them when it's a decent option. It's all a step in the right direction and I just don't listen to the "hmph, but you still believe in animal cruelty the other x% of the time" crowd.

Haven't eaten beef for over a year now, I remember the last beef product I had, it was a Big Mac after a night on the lash in November 2018 (and had vegan food the rest of the weekend in some false sense of making up for it) and thought if I'd miss anything it'd be that. But all I could think was it's mostly the sauce I like in this thing and the beef patty is just 'there'. Granted, part of that is the McDonaldsification of the beef in the first place but I'm not that bothered about anything "real" like steak either. Quite happy with that since as far as I know cows are the biggest environmental impact. I try not to think about pigs too much as bacon is too good. Still pretty happily a chicken muncher HOWEVER if I went into a KFC now I'd have the new vegan one because I tried it and it's superb and I'd honestly not miss the real chicken - so might as well. One chicken life saved per visit, bonus.

Couldn't give a toss about fish to be honest and also don't want to be restricted to that ~5-10% of "unfined" ales either so because of that the most I'm likely to be any time soon is pescatarian. If beer all somehow became vegan one day then great.

It's nice seeing more and more options, bring 'em on. Might end up vegan sometime before death, if they keep it up.

That's been my textwall of personal preferences no one asked for :D
 
Veganuary is going to see me starve to death as my usual veggie stuff is being wiped off the shelves in my local shops quicker than they can stock it back. :kim: Don’t do it!
 
Why do people think vegans are EXTREME though? Most of them I know don’t give a toss about what other people do. Not everyone is like the staunch vegans that argue with Piers Morgan et al.

I’ve never tasted meat in my life because both my parents are vegetarian so kinda by default and I’ve got stick from people all my life through it, albeit less so the last few years. “OH MY GOD WHAT DO YOU EAT?” Erm anything but meat? It’s not like my choice is limited.

I’m not vegan because I simply love EGG too much. But the thought of meat absolutely repulses me and I don’t understand why anyone would want to eat it, unless they don’t know any better/have had it from a young age. When I see raw meat in the supermarket it genuinely makes me barf a bit. Is that extreme?
 
Kate said:
Genuinely don’t understand how people can “love” vegetables

I think I need to be hypnotised into it or something
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Oh I genuinely love broccoli. And red peppers. And spinach. And, er, other vegetables

(Although I’d obviously much rather have cheese omelette, chips and beans)
 
lolly said:
Bristol is supposedly hyped as the best place in the world to be a vegan in terms of eating out. I'd be surprised if it was true, but there do seem to be a plethora to choose from.
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There’s only one place I’ve been that’s better than Bristol for the choice of vegetarian/vegan meals and that’s TEL AVIV. Bristol is amazing :disco:
 
Logic? said:
I’m not vegan because I simply love EGG too much. But the thought of meat absolutely repulses me and I don’t understand why anyone would want to eat it, unless they don’t know any better/have had it from a young age. When I see raw meat in the supermarket it genuinely makes me barf a bit. Is that extreme?
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I think buying meat involves cognitive dissonance for a lot of people. So I don't think having that response is extreme at all, if you've never eaten meat. If I stop to really think about what I'm throwing in the trolley, I'd probably feel the same.
 
Logic? said:
Why do people think vegans are EXTREME though?
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I don't think they are in the real world. On the internet... try discussing it on Reddit sometime :)


E: I think like a lot of things though most people only really know the activists because naturally the ones who are just getting on with it are... well, just getting on with it
 
Kate said:
Genuinely don’t understand how people can “love” vegetables

I think I need to be hypnotised into it or something
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I'm the same. They are at best a tolerable side.

I genuinely can get excited about bread, though.
 
lolly said:
I think buying meat involves cognitive dissonance for a lot of people. So I don't think having that response is extreme at all, if you've never eaten meat. If I stop to really think about what I'm throwing in the trolley, I'd probably feel the same.
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I do the routine of (generally but not always) basing it on whether I like the animal or not, or whether I think they’re intelligent. Personally I think chickens are a bit dumb and boring so I’ve no objection to enjoying their succulent breasts. I know the male chicks are thrown into the mincer but they’ve not seen much of life so they won’t miss it too much. Also, I do like a meaty pizza and we all know that pepperoni is just cardboard with some flavouring and felt tip on it so I’m fine with that :disco:
 
It would take a lot for me to turn vegan or even full time veggie, but their are a lot of joyous fruit and veg.
 
Get on the GoCat, Zu. An ideal meaty (who cares if it's dried eyeballs, arseholes and delicious connective tissue?) alternative to croutons.
 
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i love vegetables. if i ever had to rank my favourite foods potatoes, tomatoes and citrus fruits would be in the lead followed by broccolli and maybe then salmon. tuna, minced meat, spinach, bell peppers, pasta, garlic, mayo, pesto and chocolate would round out the top.
 
Logic? said:
There’s only one place I’ve been that’s better than Bristol for the choice of vegetarian/vegan meals and that’s TEL AVIV. Bristol is amazing :disco:
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Yeah, Tel Aviv was amazing. I was in HEAVEN!

As for the UK, there was a survey done last year and Norwich came top as the most vegan friendly city in the UK, though the survey was only of 1,000 people. Edinburgh was second and Glasgow third, but I'd consider Glasgow to be better than Edinburgh. However, I did go to a vegetarian Italian place last week in Edinburgh called Novapizza, the food was just amazing. I've never seen a menu like it, so many options! I don't exclusively go to veggie places but it's nice to have a decent choice sometimes rather than just a few.
 
vespertine said:
And only around 40% of us can, globally! Mainly Americans and Europeans.
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Yeah this is to do with our historical DNA. Loads of people of Asian decent are lactose intolerant because they never used milk in their diet. Westerners have become accustomed to it and therefore can tolerate it.
 
Myself I've been gradually waning off meat for some time now, not the least because it's fucking expensive here. Even chicken! And I'm increasingly grossed out handling it raw, actually...
 
ameraal said:
i love vegetables. if i ever had to rank my favourite foods potatoes, tomatoes and citrus fruits would be in the lead followed by broccolli and maybe then salmon. tuna, minced meat, spinach, bell peppers, pasta, garlic, mayo, pesto and chocolate would round out the top.
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Totally popping over for minced meat with a dollop of mayo.
 
The vegan cheeses aren't there yet, but I would give them a few years and I think there will be decent vegan alternatives, the fake meats weren't so good some years ago but they've really got better at it.

I must say though that I had a vegan mac and cheese a while ago, made from cashew nuts, and it was just outstanding. I really want to try making it myself!
 
Kalabaliken said:
Yeah, Tel Aviv was amazing. I was in HEAVEN!

As for the UK, there was a survey done last year and Norwich came top as the most vegan friendly city in the UK, though the survey was only of 1,000 people. Edinburgh was second and Glasgow third, but I'd consider Glasgow to be better than Edinburgh. However, I did go to a vegetarian Italian place last week in Edinburgh called Novapizza, the food was just amazing. I've never seen a menu like it, so many options! I don't exclusively go to veggie places but it's nice to have a decent choice sometimes rather than just a few.
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Um, Bristol was voted top in the WORLD. I mean it was probably sponsored by Aardman Animations, but still.

I'm sure there were probably dozens of surveys with different results, though.
 
You know where was surprisingly good for vegan places? Sofia. I'd never have expected it. Went to a few on my visit there a few years ago, one just before I met @ameraal for a coffee. Kyiv was a struggle though!
 
The main difference I've noticed in general I'd say is the vegetarian/vegan options in most cafes and restaurants now. The days of having to plonk for one or two options seem to be long gone - a menu of any size will usually have several options to choose from, or even an entirely separate V menu.

This Burger King and KFC nonsense has made me think though - in places like that, do people routinely ask if food is prepared or cooked separately, or is it just assumed?
 
Kate said:
Genuinely don’t understand how people can “love” vegetables

I think I need to be hypnotised into it or something
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I fucking love vegetables. All of them. I ate 14 sprouts on christmas day.

Fruit on the other hand, I cannot muster enthusiasm for.
 
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