Eurovision 2024: Malmö Arena

auretz said:
I just hope we don’t have any semis with only 15 entries this year, it feels a bit too small to me.
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If we do they should consider going down to a 24-song final with nine qualifiers from each.
 
Indeed. Smaller broadcasters are already shouldering the cost of Russia’s expulsion. Cutting their odds of a final slot down as well would probably cause an exodus.
 
There has to be a limit though. What if there were 13 songs in each semi final? It seems a complete waste of time to get rid of just 3 songs.

I think 26 songs in the final is too many anyway but I know that’s very much an unpopular opinion.

What they need to be doing is trying to work out how to make it fairer for countries who are right at the beginning of the running order. Especially when it’s a producer decision. Poor Austria were fucked before they had even sang this year.
 
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Kala said:
What they need to be doing is trying to work out how to make it fairer for countries who are right at the beginning of the running order. Especially when it’s a producer decision. Poor Austria were fucked before they had even sang this year.
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Do they have any levers they can pull here though? The one thing I can think of is to give earlier countries a longer time slot in the recap segments but I'm not sure that would have much impact.
 
Soldi said:
Didn’t they have reverse order recaps at one point?
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Yes but I can't remember when... I'm not sure those quite worked as the last thing you need at the end of song 26 is to have to sit through all of them again (and get bored and wander off) before song 1 comes back on.
 
It does feel like there has been a proper collapse in attention span for the opening few songs in the last few years especially. I think the juries are really important for that.
 
Austria weren’t going to do that well either way. You’re probably talking the difference between 15th and 12th, at most.
 
Australia also only got 21 points on the televote in the final despite winning the semi, and performing 15th. Surely those sort of results can’t solely be down to running order.
 
I can’t find the graphic now, but someone broke down the Spanish viewing figures in 2022 by minute - something like 3 million additional viewers saw Estonia perform last compared to the Czech Republic first (the viewing figures rose over the course of the show).

They did the reverse recap in 2002 & 2003, which are also the two years with the best televoting results for the early performances (even a win for Turkey from #4) - it’s weird they ditched it so quickly.
 
To be honest with you, I just want whatever specific circumstances favour the songs I like most in a given year, and there’s no way of knowing that ahead of time. I’ve been watching this contest for many years and I’ve just been through so much so I feel like I deserve that
 
VoR said:
Austria weren’t going to do that well either way. You’re probably talking the difference between 15th and 12th, at most.
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They came second on the televote in the semi! I don't think there was anything that meant they definitely had to do worse on televote than most of what they finished ahead of in that semi.
 
Penelope said:
They came second on the televote in the semi! I don't think there was anything that meant they definitely had to do worse on televote than most of what they finished ahead of in that semi.
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Every other country who qualified from that semi beat them in the final on the televote. I’m pretty sure that the running order had something to do with that.
 
Opening has just become an absolute deathslot. You have to go back to Melovin in 2018 to find a top ten.
 
I don’t know how much of this is true but apparently a document leaked containing information about how the EBU thwarted a last-minute plan by Teya and Salena to get themselves in every performance? For instance, when the giant Finnish box is knocked down they were planning to be just sat there nonchalantly, and when Albania took to the stage they were going to try and pretend to be members of Familja Kelmendi. I’m not saying that’s why they underperformed but it might have annnoyed some delegations.
 
auretz said:
They did the reverse recap in 2002 & 2003, which are also the two years with the best televoting results for the early performances (even a win for Turkey from #4) - it’s weird they ditched it so quickly.
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That's very interesting, looks like my instinct above was wrong.
 
Got my first normie knowingly chortling "well we know who's winning Eurovision next year now don't we!!" today :rolleyes:
 
auretz said:
I can’t find the graphic now, but someone broke down the Spanish viewing figures in 2022 by minute - something like 3 million additional viewers saw Estonia perform last compared to the Czech Republic first (the viewing figures rose over the course of the show).
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Managed to find this!

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It shows quite neatly how much of a disadvantage it is to perform early, you simply get far fewer viewers to even consider whether they like you or not. Not sure what the answer is though really (other than spreading it a bit more fairly than 'the Czechs can always have one of the worst slots possible')
 
Czech TV have confirmed they’ll broadcast the shows and will announce participation next week (presumably when the full list is out) - I can’t see that they’d broadcast and not participate so I’d take that as another confirmation!
 
auretz said:
Czech TV have confirmed they’ll broadcast the shows and will announce participation next week (presumably when the full list is out) - I can’t see that they’d broadcast and not participate so I’d take that as another confirmation!
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Just because they are broadcasting does not mean they are competing. However we will know very soon.

I think Israel might be out.
 
Kala said:
Just because they are broadcasting does not mean they are competing. However we will know very soon.

I think Israel might be out.
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It doesn’t, but viewing figures in Czechia are tiny - of all countries to withdraw but still show it anyway, I’d probably rank them last.
 
I’d be surprised if Israel pull out. At the risk of sounding cold, they seem like they understand the value of soft politics. I imagine the most likely thing is that they internally select a big-ish name and pair them with a tearful but carefully non-specific ballad about peace.
 
VoR said:
I’d be surprised if Israel pull out. At the risk of sounding cold, they seem like they understand the value of soft politics. I imagine the most likely thing is that they internally select a big-ish name and pair them with a tearful but carefully non-specific ballad about peace.
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We’re HERE. We’re WAITING.

And you just KNOW she’s READY.

But I suppose the main question, more importantly, is IS SHE:

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Israel almost certainly won't be out, even if they have postponed their selection's auditions. The main threat to them being in next year was probably government interference in KAN, but they almost certainly don't have the slightest bit of legitimacy left to pull off anything controversial they had planned following the attack. (I also feel like they won't be quite so basic as to go for an on the nose 'FREL OUR PAIN' tearjerker, and am hoping they entrust their response in the face of adversity to Nadav Guedj)

Armenia feel like they're probably the bigger flight risk at this point I'd say.
 
Slight change to their entry criteria.

At the same time, the broadcaster confirmed that the selection process will be once again a national final, ESCZ 2024, but with a new feature. Starting from this year, the lead singer / main vocalist of the composition is not required to hold a Czech citizenship. This means that artists from Slovakia permanently living in Czech Republic and contributing to its music scene can also apply. Participants can submit their entries, including demo versions, starting from today until November 6.
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The Czech entries have been in my top two for the last two years which I'd never have expected a few years ago.
 
VoR said:
Slight change to their entry criteria.
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Speculation that this essentially for ADONXS, a Slovak singer living in Prague who is one of the most popular acts in Czechia/Slovakia atm (and also one of the few high profile openly gay ones)

 
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