Lady Gaga - The Chromatica Era

lolly said:
Madonna may not have been a vital pop force through the prism of someone
of your age then, and it's obviously clear she wasn't stacking up the big hits or all dominant like she was through the late 80s. But my point was more in response to Jark's claim that Madonna was GONE for a good two and a half years pre RoL, which is patently untrue.

I'm also not convinced about the four years between lowest commercial ebb to big comeback claim for Madonna, either. Didn't Bedtime Stories outsell Erotica? Perhaps not in the UK, but I'm fairly sure it did in the US (and therefore probably worldwide) as well.
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"I'll Remember", "Take a Bow" and "You'll See" were massive in America. Bedtime Stories did outsell Erotica here, by about 50%, yes. Relative to the competition, though, she probably was criticized for underperforming at this time compared to Whitney, Mariah, Celine, but there's a spectrum. It's not like she was LIZ PHAIR.
 
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Jark said:
It was both - a huge smash (and no, not because anything would've been - Judas as first single would've been disastrous) and a turning point at which some began to find her too much. But releasing a song with a sentiment like that would always be a turn off for the bigots out there - that's why it was such a statement and easily the thing she should be proudest of in her career. Was it the correct lead single? Absolutely, and Edge of Glory should've come next.

Judas is what started to derail the train. But even then the campaign was hardly dead. People do too much. With her (over)exposure what it was then, the tipping point was always going to come sooner or later.
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i didn't say Judas should've been the lead single, i said it shouldn't have been a single at all.

BTW could have been an amazing statement in her career if she released it as a second single alongside the album or as a 3rd single, she shouldn't have capitalized the whole era around it. the gays lived for it but the general public didn't buy into it. she was bound to fall off, but to go from effortlessly selling 15m copies to hardly shipping 2m in 3 years was shocking to most people. the BTW era turned her from the biggest and most likable POP STAR on the planet to a self-absorbed artist who has very important things to say. don't get me wrong, i adore self-absorbed Gaga, but the GP hates her.
 
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No, you're wrong. The statement is in coming back with that song. It's the lead single, it's what everybody was waiting for, all eyes on her - it's totally not the same if you play it safe with Edge of Glory and then keep Born This Way in the back pocket for later. The entire purpose was to come out all guns blazing with an anthem for, and about, the gays.
 
Born This Way was an immediate-term win, a short-mid-term career disaster (for all the reasons mentioned), but ultimately a long-term victory.

When she did it at the Superbowl, I screamed. In the Trump era, and especially now, it became an extremely important song, and will arguably be her most enduring standard.

The only shame was that The Edge of Glory got somewhat overlooked, despite being a classic for the ages, due to the sheen coming off the Gaga brand by that point.
 
Apart from a few bitchy Madonna stans on message boards(and Madonna herself), Born This Way was instantly loved by the general public. It wasn’t a disaster in any sense. I think people give too much weight to the reactions on online pop forums.
 
It‘s just that it was a more „niche“ statement than the previous hits which also heterosexual chavs could relate too.
She went full on LGBTQ mode and chose not to look back. :disco:
 
My love for Born This Way only grows over time. I love hearing it "in real life", on the rare occasions that I do, because it's always like which gay in the Starbucks / supermarket put this on the playlist

And I also love that - in spite of all the "reductive" plagiarism talk - it's just a fantastic song, which stands up just as well acapella, or in country or gospel versions, as it does in its original gay bussy-pop form.

 
I've gone down a Gaga hole this lunchtime and I'm pussy-popping to all the basic bops off ASIB: Heal Me and Hair, Body, Face are everything I need today.
 
Look What I Found is my favourite song on ASIB. Some of the ways she uses her voice are almost Mariah-esque, a really great vocal.

Heal Me, Hair Body Face, Before I Cry and the maudlin country bumpkin nonsense of Diggin' My Grave all do the trick too.
 
week one streaming numbers for the new stuff

32m Sour Candy
10m 911
9.9m Alice
8.8m Free Woman
7.5m Fun Tonight
7.4m Sine From Above
7.3m Enigma
7.1m Replay
7.1m Plastic Doll
6.7m Babylon
5.7m 1000 Doves
 
53k means it was more front loaded than I thought it may have been. Not surprising though.

And does it still make it the biggest opener of 2020?
 
@lolly yep, it is. Also:



major success in France - I seem to remember they went absolutely mental for A Star is Born

#1 debuts so far in the UK, Netherlands (her first #1 there), Ireland, France and Italy.
Top 3s in Belgium, Germany, Japan, Norway and Sweden.
 
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Is Gaga really publically celebrating that her album has done a shade better than Halsey’s last album :D

BLESS

(Congrats and all, but revealing a list of the albums that have done better, and the ones that have done slightly worse dulls the shine somewhat by comparison :D )
 
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@lolly yep, it is. Also:



major success in France - I seem to remember they went absolutely mental for A Star is Born

#1 debuts so far in the UK, Netherlands (her first #1 there), Ireland, France and Italy.
Top 3s in Belgium, Germany, Japan, Norway and Sweden.
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What on earth is that list? :D

So there have only ever been ten number ones in France then?
 
I've decided that we need a full remix album with various production options for each of these bops, eg. leaked / demo mixes of Free Woman and Babylon + a full album of piano / acoustic versions (yes, the Jo-Stan in me popped out). Oh and full orchestral with beats versions to fit with the interludes.

Give the gays everything they want, Gags.
 
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