The War in Ukraine

Cloud said:
As much as I'd love for him to die, if he knows then surely that makes it all the more dangerous that he could think "well I'm dying anyway" and take the rest of the world with him.
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EXACTLY. In fact I’d not be surprised if a cancer diagnosis were the trigger for this horror, generally

ME GOT CANCER ME BLAME UKRAINE
 
The cancer thing is interesting. Anyone who's had an elderly relative die of cancer knows all the signs. The accelerated onset of dementia, irrational behaviour, impulsive, confused, easily irritated...
 
funky said:
Genuinely curious because my war strategy knowledge is nothing compared to some moopers, but don’t we need to be careful with the term imperialism in 2022? Yes there are many western countries with imperialist history and are culpable for the damage it has caused, but there’s surely (and do correct me) a grey area between arming countries because you don’t like their enemies and arming countries because they cannot defend themselves?

Should we not protect Taiwan from China, or South Korea from North Korea, or African countries from military coups, Accepting the fact that the West put us in these situations in the first place, yes, but that’s not the reason to not now protect states or countries that are under the attack of aggressors?

The West is entirely culpable but I personally don’t understand the suggestion that if the West caused it, they should leave the bad results of imperialism to sort itself out. At this point there is no perfect correction. Whatever the past, Putin has illegally invaded another country. I’m not sure America can just say “well we helped cause this many years ago, so we’d best just let Russia carry on, so we can learn from our mistakes”

I think everything we talk about on here barely scratches the surface of the complexity of these situations but I do wonder whether anyone actually has the right answer.
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I live in Finland and we can definitely feel the European border now. We have all our basic safety questioned.
 
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The Finnish President has met Biden and we certainly need to deepen our relationship etc. Nothing in particular that we know. Finland is known to negoriate with Russia and make business, but Putin is acting erratically, so goodbye to all that. And goodbye to all Finnish safety.
 
The BBC have bought the rights to (and renamed) a documentary called F@ck This Job that was in cinemas a couple of weeks ago. It looks at Russia's only independent news channel over the past 15ish years.
It's deffo worth a watch, and quite explicitly shows the level of control the Kremlin have over Russian media -

www.bbc.co.uk

BBC Four - Storyville, Tango with Putin

A Russian radio producer, seeking fame, sets up a TV station dedicated to pop culture.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
The article from the tweets says that Europe relies on Russian oil more than the us does which is why it takes longer to ban it
 
I know Biden has his critics (rightfully) but this would be so much worse if trump was president
 
Daddy Zelenskyy is just about to address the House of Commons remotely.
 
RJN said:
The article from the tweets says that Europe relies on Russian oil more than the us does which is why it takes longer to ban it
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I think I was hearing on the radio that it's not just the source, but the type of oil. Not all oil is exactly the same and if your processing relies on Russian-type oil, then you can't just switch to oil from elsewhere tomorrow.
 
I'm not really sure if banning oil and gas from Russia is a good idea or not.

Russia will continue to sell their product to China and India. They won't go short of customers. It'll drive a fairly pointless spike in prices when world demand is the same and world supply is the same. Things will settle down again once new supply lines have been organised.

It'll basically mean two medium term consequences once a new world of supply chains is sorted:

- EU/UK/US will be less reliant on Russia, so they can't threaten us with that
- Russia will be less reliant on EU/UK/US, so any economic sanctions we make will matter to them much less

I can't place it as a good idea or bad idea for that reason. Short term pain, medium term... meh
 
RJN said:
Good! Right? It seems good but I could be wrong. Does anyone know?
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In my humble opinion, and judging by how most of the existing sanctions have been bypassed by taking a shortcut through the countries that have opposed to implement them, the sanctions put a little pressure on the invader while benefit a lot economically and politically the ones who sit on the fence and hijack the situation by taking advantage of it.
 
Several analysists are saying that Russia might have misjudged the Ukrainian resistence, which means Russia will have to go a lot harder on the cities with lots of civilian casualties as a result of that. :(

Here’s the lates Caspian report about that (really recommend this channel to those who don’t know it yet):

 
BoysForSeles said:
Astounded Russian parallel bars bronze medalist Ivan Kuliak was not removed from the podium for having the Z on his top supporting the Putin/Russian invasion.

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Completely unrepentant. He has now said he has no regrets and would do it again. I hope they ban him for a long time.

“I saw it on our military and looked at what this symbol means. It turned out to be ‘for victory’ and ‘for peace’. I didn’t wish anything bad on anyone. I just showed my position. As an athlete, I will always fight for victory and play for peace.”
 
I don't think I've EVER referred to someone as "daddy" whilst in flagrante delicto and it isn't like I don't have issues of that sort of nature :eyes:
 
win_the_game said:
Completely unrepentant. He has now said he has no regrets and would do it again. I hope they ban him for a long time.

“I saw it on our military and looked at what this symbol means. It turned out to be ‘for victory’ and ‘for peace’. I didn’t wish anything bad on anyone. I just showed my position. As an athlete, I will always fight for victory and play for peace.”
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Little twat
 
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